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Also businesses will face a shortage of staff as all the East Europeans and Irish have to leave.

I don't see why that should necessarily have to follow. Obviously, we'd no longer be subject to the EU's freedom of movement regulations but that doesn't mean we'd decide to turf out every single EU citizen who already lived here. That doesn't follow logically at all. All the Irish, French, Germans, Dutch, Spanish? As well as the eastern Europeans? Why on earth would we want to do that? Much more likely we'd impose some sort of immigration regulations from then on i.e. anyone after that point would need a visa of some sort, but trying to impose some sort of mass deportation of anyone who wasn't a British national is ludicrously impractical.

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Many businesses like the fact that they can employ lots of East europeans rather than have to pay higher wage rates to employ locals.

Ah, so the EU is about exploitative working conditions. It's just great isn't it!

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Also businesses will face a shortage of staff as all the East Europeans and Irish have to leave.

I don't see why that should necessarily have to follow. Obviously, we'd no longer be subject to the EU's freedom of movement regulations but that doesn't mean we'd decide to turf out every single EU citizen who already lived here. That doesn't follow logically at all. All the Irish, French, Germans, Dutch, Spanish? As well as the eastern Europeans? Why on earth would we want to do that? Much more likely we'd impose some sort of immigration regulations from then on i.e. anyone after that point would need a visa of some sort, but trying to impose some sort of mass deportation of anyone who wasn't a British national is ludicrously impractical.

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Many businesses like the fact that they can employ lots of East europeans rather than have to pay higher wage rates to employ locals.

Ah, so the EU is about exploitative working conditions. It's just great isn't it!

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Thats is a part of globalisation, which has not been so good. It allows governments to export their unemployment or to avoid skills shortages.

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Also businesses will face a shortage of staff as all the East Europeans and Irish have to leave. Many businesses like the fact that they can employ lots of East europeans rather than have to pay higher wage rates to employ locals.

There is nothing to stop us emply them if we are outside of the EU. the difference is that at the moment they have the right to work here. However if we were outside the EU we would be allowed to put quotas etc on the number who come over (before many of the eastern european states joined the EU lots of them came over for the picking season - the goverment had special visas / quotas for that)

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It is more from the reduction in our rebate than the normal cost increasing. The rebate was becoming completely indefensible. We should have been paying more. We also get most of it back through various spending programs.



Hardly. Over the period 2007 to 2013, Open Europe estimates the UK will contribute 103 billion euros, yet receive only 46 billion back in subsidies. Most of the money is going to the former East European countries, who are getting 4 or 5 times more than they contribute.
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Hardly. Over the period 2007 to 2013, Open Europe estimates the UK will contribute 103 billion euros, yet receive only 46 billion back in subsidies. Most of the money is going to the former East European countries, who are getting 4 or 5 times more than they contribute.
+1 on that!

So presumably you think that money generated in London should stay in London, rather than being distributed throughout the UK etc?

Eastern Europe is poor, it's right that we help them out.

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I'd rather we got a fair deal from Europe, rather that throwing money into the bottomless pit that is the EU. It should have stayed as a trade organization rather that trying to interfere in almost every aspect of life.

We have enough problems in the UK at the moment as it is.

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I wouldn't mind throwing money in if it wasn't wasted left right and centre.
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Hardly. Over the period 2007 to 2013, Open Europe estimates the UK will contribute 103 billion euros, yet receive only 46 billion back in subsidies. Most of the money is going to the former East European countries, who are getting 4 or 5 times more than they contribute.
+1 on that!

So presumably you think that money generated in London should stay in London, rather than being distributed throughout the UK etc?

Eastern Europe is poor, it's right that we help them out.


No but maybe money generated in the UK should stay in the UK

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So presumably you think that money generated in London should stay in London, rather than being distributed throughout the UK etc?

Eastern Europe is poor, it's right that we help them out.


No but maybe money generated in the UK should stay in the UK

Then once the UK is more balanced what then?

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Here we go again - do what we say, not what we do:

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It has been a gravy train for years. Plus there is no accountability to the UK government or our parties.

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It has been a gravy train for years. Plus there is no accountability to the UK government or our parties.

Council of the European Union?

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It has been a gravy train for years. Plus there is no accountability to the UK government or our parties.

Council of the European Union?

I was thinking more along the lines of party whips rather than anything else.

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I was thinking more along the lines of party whips rather than anything else.

You mean the inability of British parties to control their MEPs? Is that really a failing of the European Union?

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I was thinking more along the lines of party whips rather than anything else.

You mean the inability of British parties to control their MEPs? Is that really a failing of the European Union?

No. Though I am sure that they are not the only ones who voted for this increase. We simply do not have enough votes to influence the overall result.

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