Oh, dear. I’m not sure what Dave has managed to do, but I think he’s managed to produce something that will encourage an “out” vote.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-35467479

I have no idea how he thinks this “emergency brake” idea will work in practice because

Calling it an ‘emergency brake’ kind of seems odd, especially if it’s reliant on other EU states to decide if it should be used or not.

I expect it will please the EU Sceptic backbenchers who Dave is really pandering to. This looks like a bung to me.

Revealed: tax credit data exposes limits of Cameron's 'emergency brake' | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ency-brake

Why not? They've done that with our own social security bill for years. And idiots lap it up.

David Cameron: EU membership gives UK information on terrorists | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... terrorists

Oh, FFS. Every major terrorist incident we're told that not only were they on the local watchlist, but that our allies had informed us about their movements too. If that's a reason for staying in, it's fcuking useless because we're either staggeringly incompetent in security terms, underfunded in suspect targeting, or actively enabling terrorism for a climate of fear. Or all of the above. And I could believe it all very easily because the watchlist thing happens every time.

Given how close public opinion polls are, I would suggest a forum poll on the subject.
However past polls have shown a general left wing majority here, so I suspect there would be a large 'in' majority.

Done.

Erm ... what have left and right got to do with it?

In the original referendum, the Tories campaigned to join while Labour campaigned to stay out.

And it looks like Corbyn’s Labour Party may be a close call as well. He certainly seems to have reservations about the EU project, and he’s much more Left Wing.

In theory the labour party should be in favour of closer partnership with the EU because the party has a long history of internationalism and should be championing the interests of all workers, regardless of nationality - so for example freedom of movement and better working conditions are in their interest. A traditional British conservative party should be vaguely anti-EU, because they're in favour of 'small government' and individual liberty, which larger and larger political unions are anathema to.

However in the actual modern world, the Conservatives are mainly a neo-conservative fundamentalist bunch, and thus globalisation and the reduction in power of labour vs capital is very much what they are about. The modern British PLP is somewhat on the same lines, although the Corbyn headed faction is trying to change that. The traditional British labour party is in something of a conundrum, since the EU works both towards their aims sometimes and against it other times.

So what you have is the traditional Conservatives (who say no) vs Modern Conservatives (who say yes) and the labour party who probably all say yes, although they're internally confused as to why and by how much. Only UKIP really have an obvious and consistent attitide to the EU, and that's because that's pretty much exactly their remit.

Jon

EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote - BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35621079

His reforms are an absolute nonsense going by that article, window dressing.

It’s utter BS aimed at keeping his backbenchers and waverers on side. While some here may applaud the restrictions on EU membership, it now means that closer EU integration, including monetary union, joining the Schengen zone and being ever closers to the machinery that makes the EU tick has been denied us. We’ll be the second class carriage if we continue to be a member of the EU after the summer. While I’m still in favour of being in rather than out, I fear we’ll be regarded as a lesser member as a result of Cameron‘s “deal”. I fail to see what benefits they will bring.

I freely admit I have no idea which way to go on this one.

I need information on both perspectives, that I can trust. Yeah I know it that last part that's nigh on impossible.

In this case I suspect the best information will come from those sources which are not directly affected by it either way i.e. those outside the EU. Just not Fox News.

Staying in EU 'exposes UK to terror risk', says Iain Duncan Smith

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-35624409

Yeah, homegrown terrorists? Fannying about in the Middle East? Theresa's lack of... Brains? Where do you wanna start?

Well that settles it. if IDS is voting one way, I'm voting the other. Nothing good has ever come from that man.

What does Jeremy Hunt think?


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