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Hunt said the government is now going through the “exhaustive process” of contacting every A&E department in the country to establish whether they will have enough staff to stay open on Tuesday.


This shows the stupidity of Hunt. Tuesday's strike means just routine working hours won't be covered. Full weekend cover will be in effect. A&E departments have the same level of staff throughout the week and won't be affected. If he really had any clue about health, he would know this.

EDIT: There's a lot of spinning and mudslinging by the media in order to vilify junior docs. Wonder who organised that? Example - Daily Wail puts up photos of junior docs on holiday and complains about them going on holidays.

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Old news but still astounds me: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mi ... ms-2803300

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more power to the doctors for showing that they are Not Hunts Slaves. well done ...

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Loving the bit where one trust sent their junior doctors a letter saying there was an emergency and therefore they should all go back to work and the letter was dated yesterday. :lol: If there was ever an example of dishonesty and incompetence in one page...


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Also.. this.

The fact they're so incompetent yet still doing so much damage... God, imagine if they were actually clever.


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Loving the bit where one trust sent their junior doctors a letter saying there was an emergency and therefore they should all go back to work and the letter was dated yesterday. :lol: If there was ever an example of dishonesty and incompetence in one page...

That was in Sandwell in Birmingham. It was wrong of them to write this. It has to be an unplanned emergency. The trust knew that there weren't going to be enough doctors and they had plenty of time to anticipate and plan this. Thankfully, the BMA stepped in and corrected the trust.

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Also.. this.

The fact they're so incompetent yet still doing so much damage... God, imagine if they were actually clever.


'We had an AGREED set of questions, you're ruining everything! I have kids!'

It's the state of media management today in one short video.

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I notice the BBC sent Laura Kuessenberg to interview Jeremy Hunt. Hard hitting journalism there.


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Here is the soundbite which Hunt has been repeating ad nauseam: "And at the moment we have an NHS where if you have a stroke at the weekends, you're 20% more likely to die. That can't be acceptable."

[... lots of stats analysis]

So Hunt is lying. If you have a stroke at the week-end you're not 20% more likely to die. In fact, according to the best evidence, you're less likely to die. Out of people admitted to hospital more die, but that can only reflect their increased severity.

The main point about all this is not just that he is misleading people on this particular issue. It is that this is the best he can come up with. The DoH is packed with people smarter than us whose only job is to find stuff to support the minister. If this is the best they can come up with it doesn't reflect their incompetence. It means that there really is no evidence at all for a "week-end effect". It means there is no problem that needs fixing. It means that Hunt is deliberately picking a fight with the medical profession over a complete non-issue, presumably to further his own political ends.

http://davenomiddlenamecurtis.blogspot. ... s.html?m=1

My mum had to go for the second part of her annual checkup yesterday. She said there were a few delays due to the consultants doing covering absent colleagues, but the waiting room was full of support for the action, her checkup was done and she was sent home as normal.

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please remember there are lies, damned lies, statistics and Govt. misinformation
this (so called Govt.) relay on it to misinform the public. doctors and others please carry on with your action, it is the only way forward for the NHS.

and PS.
the BMA have made the right decision NOT the so called hospital management who have been crying wolf.

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if this so called Govt can upset doctors and the whole of the NHS then they (so called Govt.) are on a loser, big time ...

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please remember there are lies, damned lies, statistics and Govt. misinformation
this (so called Govt.) relay on it to misinform the public. doctors and others please carry on with your action, it is the only way forward for the NHS.

and PS.
the BMA have made the right decision NOT the so called hospital management who have been crying wolf.

foot note.
if this so called Govt can upset doctors and the whole of the NHS then they (so called Govt.) are on a loser, big time ...


It depends how the frame it, I guess. This of-posted image appears on Twitter from various NHS support groups:

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It seems that the Tories are doing this.

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that is SOP, but thankfully the doctors and other staff had the backbone to say NO. well done ...

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Hunt saying today that he'll impose the contract if there isn't agreement is basically telling people that killing the NHS is the object of the exercise.

BMA give in to DoH = doctors are overworked and leave or go off sick. system deteriorates, Tories shout 'Look how terrible the NHS is! The Private sector will do this better! Let's get them to do it instead!'

BMA doesn't give in the DoH = DoH imposes new contract, doctors leave en masse, system deteriorates, Tories shout 'Look how terrible the NHS is! The Private sector will do this better! Let's get them to do it instead'

The only way to stop this is for the voters in Tory constituencies to make it utterly clear that if they scrap the NHS they'll be dead in the water come 2020. However the average Tory voter seems to believe what's on the cover of the Daily Mail, so there's not much chance of that. They'll only realise the mistake they've made when their first bill for private health care hits the doormat and by that point we'll all be screwed.


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Hunt saying today that he'll impose the contract if there isn't agreement is basically telling people that killing the NHS is the object of the exercise.

BMA give in to DoH = doctors are overworked and leave or go off sick. system deteriorates, Tories shout 'Look how terrible the NHS is! The Private sector will do this better! Let's get them to do it instead!'

BMA doesn't give in the DoH = DoH imposes new contract, doctors leave en masse, system deteriorates, Tories shout 'Look how terrible the NHS is! The Private sector will do this better! Let's get them to do it instead'

The only way to stop this is for the voters in Tory constituencies to make it utterly clear that if they scrap the NHS they'll be dead in the water come 2020. However the average Tory voter seems to believe what's on the cover of the Daily Mail, so there's not much chance of that. They'll only realise the mistake they've made when their first bill for private health care hits the doormat and by that point we'll all be screwed.


please don't lose the advantage, at this point in time you have the public on your side for a very good reason 'saving' the NHS.
while this is in the public domain it would be advantageous. but please don't lose the momentum by allowing to go into the background
stand firm but always ready to return to duty if the needs at the time require it, take a leap of faith you will find it very worth while ...

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I've posted about this before - how Hunt has found a stat and linked it to consultants not working weekends. This is despite the fact that only one consultant had opted out of working weekends in the UK.

The weekend effect has been observed in other healthcare systems. It's a reflection that those people are more likely to be poorly. Secondly, the stats showed that these people died not on a weekend but on a weekday. They were admitted over a weekend. They died midweek. Further, there is a large proportion of the population who are admitted during the weekdays for elective procedures and operations which will give a false picture.

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