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james_g1
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Dinner tonight was cottage pie. Home made. Very nice, but is it really pie?
The collective wisdom is sought.
Do the poll. Results will not be sent to Melton-Mowbray for marketing purposes.
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rustybucket
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Not Pie
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Not Pie
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jonbwfc
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I'd rather have to agree. if shepherd's pie is regarded as actual pie, pretty much anything can be pie. Lasagne could technically be pie and thats just wrong. Very tastey, but not in any way pie.
A pie should be defined as some sort of filling encased in a bowl shaped receptacle made of pastry, with top made from the same pastry. Otherwise, it's just not pie. And this does mean the god awful things you get in some places which are essentially a ceramic bowl full of stew with a token piece of pastry on top are not to be referred to as pie, either.
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JJW009
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I wanted to vote "Pie!".
Pastry is strange. I heard it was invented as a kind of disposable wrapping to let you carry hot meat and veg around in, a bit like batter for fish or bread platters. I'm not sure you were really meant to eat it unless you were really hungry. You eat the goodness inside, then feed the wrapping to the dogs / peasants / gulls.
I made apple crumble today. It's more like apple pie than it would be with mash on top, but it's really not pie. It's nicer.
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saspro
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Unless it's got pastry surrounding it it's not pie
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AlunD
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Yes its a pie although other than shepherds pie its the only one I can think of that is pastry less 
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davrosG5
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A pie should be enclosed in pastry.
If it ain't got a lid then it's a tart not a pie.
If there is no pastry then it's some sort of tray bake.
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HeatherKay
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According to that reputable online resource, Wikipedia, the term "cottage" or "shepherds'" pie is derived as follows: So it was a kind of pseudo pie for the serfs. Potato is used instead of pastry. Omnomnom. _________________My Flickr | Snaptophobic BloggageHeather Kay: modelling details that matter. "Let my windows be open to receive new ideas but let me also be strong enough not to be blown away by them." - Mahatma Gandhi.
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AlunD
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Slight clarification. Cottage Pie = Minced BeefShepherds Pie= Minced Lamb.
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PaulKey
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Fish pie or Seafood pie...... no pastry there.
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AlunD
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Good point I'd forgotten about them
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leeds_manc
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pie (countable and uncountable; plural pies)
1. A type of pastry that consists of an outer crust and a filling.
The family had steak and kidney pie for dinner and cherry pie for dessert.
2. Extended to other, non-pastry dishes that maintain the general concept of a shell with a filling.
Shepherd's pie is made of mince covered with mashed potato.
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PaulKey
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Hmmmmm I just dredged the depths of my mind and remembered from distant childhood....... mud pie !!! Beat that 
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