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Sorry but given the number of problems we need to be spending money on, I don't think an £80m shrine to unnecessary death is appropriate.
From what I understand it has no government money put to use on it.
Isn't it all privately funded?

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For a monument on its own it is too expensive but for a whole new building it seems about right. Plus an iconic building at the same time.

Sorry but given the number of problems we need to be spending money on, I don't think an £80m shrine to unnecessary death is appropriate.


So you've said. You're entitled to your opinion.
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The Museum is now consulting widely about the “Battle of Britain Beacon” project. The provision of the required private sector funding, and the agreement with interested parties and authorities, will dictate when the Trustees of the Museum will take the final decision to proceed with construction. However, by the 75th Anniversary of the Battle in 2015, only a small number of the gallant “Few” who flew in the Battle would be able to witness this project becoming a reality.


So you don't need to worry about your precious money being wasted on it, okay? ;)

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/news ... ews_id=277

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So you don't need to worry about your precious money being wasted on it, okay?
That's what I thought.
If private companies/individuals want to spend their money on this then let them. *shrug*

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For a monument on its own it is too expensive but for a whole new building it seems about right. Plus an iconic building at the same time.

Sorry but given the number of problems we need to be spending money on, I don't think an £80m shrine to unnecessary death is appropriate.

This was a war that we did not start. It was a defensive battle not aggressive. Though in thirty years we might be funding a monument for the dead soldiers who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. While the war is very questionable the lives of those sent following orders is not.

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While the war is very questionable the lives of those sent following orders is not.


+1

Also, if it helps each new generation to learn from the mistakes of the past, it's a good thing isn't it?

Also, this new museum will exhibit stuff about how the civilian population were affected by the Battle and the Blitz.

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From what I understand it has no government money put to use on it.
Isn't it all privately funded?

And?

Sorry but I cannot see the justification for spending all that money on a luxurious memorial to the dead whilst those who are alive can't afford to feed themselves properly.

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Sorry but I cannot see the justification for spending all that money on a luxurious memorial to the dead whilst those who are alive can't afford to feed themselves properly.
It's their money. They don't have to justify it to you, me or anyone else. Only to themselves.

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We can't live in contingency all the time. Yes there is poverty and hunger but it is important to remember history and the creation of a blitz/battle of Britain museum is to be welcomed. The last survivors are starting to die out and in 20 years there will be very few people who remember what the blitz was actually like. It is important to preserve the history.


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Battle of Britain Museum also wrote:
The aim of the building is to act:
    As a gateway to London and an iconic landmark
    A lasting tribute to the sacrifice and bravery of an international force of men and women
    An education resource in the lessons of the Second World War, for generations to come
    An inspirational new interpretation for 21st Century of the world's finest collection of aircraft and artefacts of the period
    A salute to the city of London and the enduring legacy of freedom and democracy.


Laudable aims. I support the venture, if for no other reason than I've been a scholar of the events leading up to the Battle of Britain since I was at school. I also understand there will be those who find the whole thing about "remembering" stuff like this a completely pointless exercise, and wish we could all just get on into those bright sunlit uplands for which those we remember fought.

Some of you might have spotted what I did there. (And edited for crappy grammer!)

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Some of you might have spotted what I did there. (And edited for crappy grammer!)
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This was a war that we did not start.

Wrong.

Britain declared war on Germany, not the other way round.

And if you want to go further back, it was the unnecessarily harsh terms of the Versailles treaty that made WWII pretty much inevitable.

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While the war is very questionable the lives of those sent following orders is not.

I'm not questioning the value of those lives lost.

I'm questioning the morality of building monuments to the past whilst the living are dying of avoidable causes.

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Though in thirty years we might be funding a monument for the dead soldiers who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If we do then really haven't learnt anything.

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If we do then really haven't learnt anything.


I think you're right. As a species we're actually crap at learning from our mistakes.

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Battle of Britain Museum also wrote:
The aim of the building is to act:
  1. As a gateway to London and an iconic landmark
  2. A lasting tribute to the sacrifice and bravery of an international force of men and women
  3. An education resource in the lessons of the Second World War, for generations to come
  4. An inspirational new interpretation for 21st Century of the world's finest collection of aircraft and artefacts of the period
  5. A salute to the city of London and the enduring legacy of freedom and democracy.


Laudable aims.

Are they? Really?

  1. Does London really need yet another iconic building?
  2. I'm sure those that died will rest happy in the knowledge that they fought and died to get a museum :roll:
  3. Teaching those thing we learnt to the young seems predicated on us having learnt - I don't think we have
  4. We shouldn't be inspired - we should be ashamed that we as a species ever let ourselves get to that point.
  5. How many monuments, palaces, ornaments and salutes does one city need ffs?

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Apparently something going on at Duxford this weekend. We may get fly overs ;-)

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This was a war that we did not start.

Wrong.

Britain declared war on Germany, not the other way round.

And if you want to go further back, it was the unnecessarily harsh terms of the Versailles treaty that made WWII pretty much inevitable.

Yes but because of our defence pact with Poland. It was Germany who triggered our pact. If they had not attacked the British and French would not have declared war as part of our treaty requirements. We did not want to go to war then.

Yes the Treaty of Versailles was a disaster but you are ignoring the german aggression.

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While the war is very questionable the lives of those sent following orders is not.

I'm not questioning the value of those lives lost.

I'm questioning the morality of building monuments to the past whilst the living are dying of avoidable causes.

Yes but has been mentioned elsewhere no government money is involved, it is a museum that are building this.

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