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IIRC:

BNP: 60%
Lib Dem: 20%
Cons: 20%

Which means I've been cracking suitably inappropriate jokes all day. Although I'd never actually vote for them. Probably end up voting Lib Dem since nobody can whine at me that way when it all goes wrong. ;-)


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I know I have no chance of agreeing with every single policy from any of the parties, so I've just gone for the one which has more that I agree with, than I disagree with. That happens to be the UKIP this time.

I am curious.

Which policies do they have which you approve of? Their manifesto seems to be exclusively about leaving the EU based on bigoted and racist delusions of Anglo Saxon superiority.


I’m glad others are seeing this too. I’ve always put UKIP in the same box as the BNP, and it is little surprise that the BNP has in the past made positive overtures to UKIP. UKIP are velvet fascists - they are very clever at disguising their true motives. However, you only need to hear their leader Lord Pearson of Rannoch and QuestionTime favourite Nigel Farage speaking to realise the potential danger.

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You have the BNP on the far right and UKIP between the BNP and the Tories. None are really palatable because many in the Tory party are much further to the right that mainstream views.

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Thanks JJ, I get it now. I wasn't planning on voting for them, but good to know why I shouldn't.

The interesting part still remains that them and BNP have policies that agree with most of us. What's quite fascinating, is that the "mainstream" parties don't tally with us as much as the "extremists".

I believe those were the conditions in Germany just after the last massive global recession.....


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The interesting part still remains that them and BNP have policies that agree with most of us.


The danger here is that the “agreeable” policies are the ones being trumpeted, and are the ones people will hear, like and consider voting for. As with all parties, a vote supports EVERYTHING stood for. You can’t cherry pick the policies and vote just for them. A vote for the BNP, UKIP is condoning everything they stand for, and that includes the truly nasty stuff hidden behind the curtains.

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The interesting part still remains that them and BNP have policies that agree with most of us.


The danger here is that the “agreeable” policies are the ones being trumpeted, and are the ones people will hear, like and consider voting for. As with all parties, a vote supports EVERYTHING stood for. You can’t cherry pick the policies and vote just for them. A vote for the BNP, UKIP is condoning everything they stand for, and that includes the truly nasty stuff hidden behind the curtains.


Absolutely. I did the test twice, and when all parties are left in, the BNP and UKIP do very well, percentages wide. However, the areas we disagree on, and the rhetoric behind those areas that we perhaps do agree on are such that I would never vote for either any more.

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Thanks JJ, I get it now. I wasn't planning on voting for them, but good to know why I shouldn't.

The interesting part still remains that them and BNP have policies that agree with most of us. What's quite fascinating, is that the "mainstream" parties don't tally with us as much as the "extremists".

I believe those were the conditions in Germany just after the last massive global recession.....

Wow I thought that Godwins Law was going to happen. :D

Yes the extremist parties have policies that do tally with what the electorate want. We all want decent employment opportunities, and an efficient public sector, and an improving standard of living for ourselves and our children. So it is not unexpected that they do well. Especially since Labour have all but abandoned the working class.

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I know I have no chance of agreeing with every single policy from any of the parties, so I've just gone for the one which has more that I agree with, than I disagree with. That happens to be the UKIP this time.

Which policies do they have which you approve of? Their manifesto seems to be exclusively about leaving the EU based on bigoted and racist delusions of Anglo Saxon superiority.

Have you read their entire manifesto? One section of it is about the EU and there are 17 sections!

Personally, I agree that we should leave the EU and establish free trade the way Switzerland has, I don't want to be part of the Euro, I think the UK should set it's own laws and regulations and I don't think control over our "doings" should be held by Brussels. I also think that immigration should be more tightly controlled and regulated, I don't agree with the open borders idea and I think there should be a "no benefits" policy for new immigrants. I don't agree with people coming here to work and sending money home to wherever their family is, I think anyone coming to the UK to live and work should be able to speak English.

I think that if Scotland and Ireland don't want to be part of the UK anymore from a governmental standpoint, they should fund their own policies, if they want to give their citizens free prescriptions, free education and free care for the elderly, they should figure out how to pay for it. I think we should be building more wind farms and nuclear power stations, I think a "life" sentence should mean life and I don't think convicted criminals in prison should be allowed to vote. I think the military budget should be increased and I think we should have a clearly defined strategy for the mission in Afghanistan, I think education should be taken back to basics at the first stages, teaching our children how to read and write, I think we shouldn't have to pay for unfunded EU pensions, I think the welfare system should be simplified and regulated and I think that if unemployed people turn down jobs then they should lose their jobseekers benefits, I think we should regain our seat at the WTO and I think we should have the right to request a referendum on key points of policy.

It should also be noted that I disagree with a number of the points on the manifesto, but on the whole I don't think that election promises are worth a damn. I very much doubt UKIP will get into power, but I vowed to vote with my brain not my history and so I'm voting UKIP. I don't agree that UKIP are nazis with a new face, I don't think they "hate Europe like Hitler hated the jews" (JJ - !? Seriously) but I also think they want to restore some of Britains pride and definition, I do too. I think there's a lot of assumptions made about the "reasoning" behind policy statements, I could run through a few of the Green and Lib Dem policies and make assumptions about the "whys" but it'd be a fools errand. In the end I looked through all the major parties manifesto documents, and made my choice accordingly, I don't consider myself racist and don't think UKIP and the BNP are in the same league at all, but YMMV and each person will make their own mind up.

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I know I have no chance of agreeing with every single policy from any of the parties, so I've just gone for the one which has more that I agree with, than I disagree with. That happens to be the UKIP this time.

Which policies do they have which you approve of? Their manifesto seems to be exclusively about leaving the EU based on bigoted and racist delusions of Anglo Saxon superiority.

Have you read their entire manifesto? One section of it is about the EU and there are 17 sections!

Personally, I agree that we should leave the EU and establish free trade the way Switzerland has, I don't want to be part of the Euro, I think the UK should set it's own laws and regulations and I don't think control over our "doings" should be held by Brussels. I also think that immigration should be more tightly controlled and regulated, I don't agree with the open borders idea and I think there should be a "no benefits" policy for new immigrants. I don't agree with people coming here to work and sending money home to wherever their family is, I think anyone coming to the UK to live and work should be able to speak English.

I think that if Scotland and Ireland don't want to be part of the UK anymore from a governmental standpoint, they should fund their own policies, if they want to give their citizens free prescriptions, free education and free care for the elderly, they should figure out how to pay for it. I think we should be building more wind farms and nuclear power stations, I think a "life" sentence should mean life and I don't think convicted criminals in prison should be allowed to vote. I think the military budget should be increased and I think we should have a clearly defined strategy for the mission in Afghanistan, I think education should be taken back to basics at the first stages, teaching our children how to read and write, I think we shouldn't have to pay for unfunded EU pensions, I think the welfare system should be simplified and regulated and I think that if unemployed people turn down jobs then they should lose their jobseekers benefits, I think we should regain our seat at the WTO and I think we should have the right to request a referendum on key points of policy.

It should also be noted that I disagree with a number of the points on the manifesto, but on the whole I don't think that election promises are worth a damn. I very much doubt UKIP will get into power, but I vowed to vote with my brain not my history and so I'm voting UKIP. I don't agree that UKIP are nazis with a new face, I don't think they "hate Europe like Hitler hated the jews" (JJ - !? Seriously) but I also think they want to restore some of Britains pride and definition, I do too. I think there's a lot of assumptions made about the "reasoning" behind policy statements, I could run through a few of the Green and Lib Dem policies and make assumptions about the "whys" but it'd be a fools errand. In the end I looked through all the major parties manifesto documents, and made my choice accordingly, I don't consider myself racist and don't think UKIP and the BNP are in the same league at all, but YMMV and each person will make their own mind up.

That's democracy!

By then? Do I at least get a train home, or are you making me swim across the channel?


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Conservatives: 38%
Labour: 37%
Lib Dems: 36%
Green Party: 36%

Something's not right there :shock:

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By then? Do I at least get a train home, or are you making me swim across the channel?

By When?
I don't oppose immigration, just uncontrolled and unregulated immigration.

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By then? Do I at least get a train home, or are you making me swim across the channel?

By When?
I don't oppose immigration, just uncontrolled and unregulated immigration.

Possibly intended to be "Bye then?" There's way too many Es on an AZERTY keyboard!

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By then? Do I at least get a train home, or are you making me swim across the channel?

By When?
I don't oppose immigration, just uncontrolled and unregulated immigration.

I meant bye... oops
Yeah but you also want to come out of Europe, so foreign students like me won't be able to come study in the UK anymore, or for ridiculous fees...

Does that mean we could send back all the British pensioners claiming healthcare on the French NHS? ....


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By then? Do I at least get a train home, or are you making me swim across the channel?

By When?
I don't oppose immigration, just uncontrolled and unregulated immigration.

I meant bye... oops
Yeah but you also want to come out of Europe, so foreign students like me won't be able to come study in the UK anymore, or for ridiculous fees...
Does that mean we could send back all the British pensioners claiming healthcare on the French NHS? ....

It doesn't mean that, you could apply to study here just as people from outside the EU do, who also quite often achieve bigger grants for their study as well. If you wanted to send British pensioners home that would be up to you to vote for someone who would do that.

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By When?
I don't oppose immigration, just uncontrolled and unregulated immigration.

I meant bye... oops
Yeah but you also want to come out of Europe, so foreign students like me won't be able to come study in the UK anymore, or for ridiculous fees...
Does that mean we could send back all the British pensioners claiming healthcare on the French NHS? ....

It doesn't mean that, you could apply to study here just as people from outside the EU do, who also quite often achieve bigger grants for their study as well. If you wanted to send British pensioners home that would be up to you to vote for someone who would do that.

Well British pensioners come to France because of the free flow created by Europe. If you close your border, it goes both ways.
And why is immigration not a good thing btw? I'm not talking about illegal immigration, but legal immigration as it is now in Europe?


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