Glad you added the sarcastic note. Otherwise you would find yourself being deported along with all the other EU citizens. It would also mean us having to take BigD back.

A delightful bit of pragmatism.

I do not think that UKIP are heinous but they are more typical of the Little Britain attitude that used to be part of the Tories. Europe has brought us many benefits and UKIP ignore that fact.

1. I have no local UKIP candidate
2. I hate Robert Kilroy Silk
3. I do not believe any tv chatshow host should stand as a member of parliament, this includes Jeremy Kyle
4. The other policies are VERY bad
5. The policies I do agree with are pretty low on their lsit
6. They (AFAIK) did not vote against the DE Bill.

Amnesia, there are a lot of things the EU has done and TBH Britain needs to modernise a lot of things and a lot of the problems are due to this (and those higher up getting far more than they deserve IMO)

+1 UKIP may have some idea on Europe that a lot of people agree with, but that's all they have.

Apart from 1 and 6 that doesn't really help me, but thanks Fin. Kilroy's a knob - sure, but that doesn't mean that tv people shouldn't be allowed to run for office. As for your final sentence, I totally agree.

Maybe... but between Kilroy, Jeremy Kyle, Trisha and the cast of Loose Women I stand by my point. Although Jeremy Kyle might actually be able to answer a question....

Just found out Kilroy isn't with UKIP any more, still enough to put me off voting for them

British National Party:
74%
UK Independence Party:
64%
Liberal Democrats:
41%
Conservative Party:
40%
Green Party:
33%
Labour Party:
12%

Whoa! That was unexpected...

I got 80% BNP

The next highest was I think UKIP at 22%.

So I redid it with just the three main parties and got:

Conservatives - 40%
Lib Dems - 29%
Labour - 21%

TBH I was thinking about Lib Dems but then looked at their horrendous plans for the NHS.

The devil is in the details. UKIP are national socialists.

Hitler did not specifically announce his genocidal intentions in his pre-election manifesto, but any nationalist program has at it's heart a selfish and inevitably inhuman agenda.

You have to read carefully between the lines. UKIP make a lot of very important points concerning the undeniable and serious failings of the EU, but their solutions are all perverse. Rather than improving Europe, they seek to alienate us from our neighbours and incite racial prejudice and financial greed to draw allegiance to their grandiose plans for global domination and the birth of a new empire.

Much of the manifesto published on their website is "to be launched shortly during the General Election" (ie they have no f*cking idea) so I can only quote from the section on Foreign Affairs. As I said earlier, the devil is in the detail and you have to read carefully between the lines:

Section 9.3
"Britain would have to continue to accept the free movement of labour from EU member states. Thus, while membership of the EEA might seem a safe alternative to full EU membership, there would be continuing substantial costs to the UK and little benefit in terms of trade and its deregulation"

NB: they are specifically against the free movement of labour. I abhor this policy, and the conclusions they draw are misconstrued from pure racism.

Section 9.8
Under threat of risks to its bilateral trade agreements, Switzerland has been bullied into abandoning its migrant quotas and to sign up to the Schengen and Dublin agreements 24 on open borders and the sharing of information on crime and asylum applications.

NB: they are specifically pro migrant quotas and anti open borders. Once again, the racist undertones are all too clear. I shouldn't have to remind you that Britain was rebuilt after the war using migrant labour, and that policy continues today with our NHS being totally dependant on imported skilled labour.

Section 9.14
As we have already indicated, the size and world importance of the UK economy should ensure that Britain experiences little difficulty in negotiating agreements in a far greater spirit of genuinely free trade than any of those the EU has already concluded, or is in the process of negotiating, with half the countries of the world.

NB: delusions of grandeur and aspirations of empire.

Section 11.1
UKIP finds it reprehensible that a country with our mercantilist pedigree is denied its full role

LOL WOT? I'll leave it to the economists on our forum to debate the relevance of mercantilism to modern day Britain. Perhaps if UKIP have a secret grand scheme to rejuvenate British industry then I'll reconsider when they let us in on it. Until that time, this is another example of their dark delusion imperium.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. They're just a bunch of self-righteous smarmy Nazis who hate the French and Germans like Hitler hated Jews. Other than that, they have no real policies.

I don't see much wrong there tbh, and given how badly Labour have shafted it in the previous years (having to wait a year before I was put forward for an operation) I think the change they propose is a good thing

I agree. I am actually very pro Europe. If you are not part of the whole process then you are irrelevant. The others will ignore us.

As to those getting more than they deserve I do agree and the best way to deal with that is a progressive tax system. That means income tax rises and cuts in regressive taxes.

I'm pro europe too Amnesia.

I wouldn't be sad to see us join the Euro like a lot of people who are attached to our currency. I don't know the financial details, but if it suits us then I'd like to be part of it.

By cutting the quangos it could save money for the NHS. Best Practice should be mandatory, not optional. While there could be local conditions which mitigate the changes but best outcomes should be the target. Even capping the pay of NHS and council does not go far enough. It could be cut further.

As for us joining the Euro it is all dependant on what rate we join at. I would not claim to be an expert at what rate we should join at. But anyone who has travelled to Europe this last year will know how expensive it has become all because the pound is so weak against the Euro.

I am curious.

Which policies do they have which you approve of? Their manifesto seems to be exclusively about leaving the EU based on bigoted and racist delusions of Anglo Saxon superiority.