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paulzolo
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The Leaflets that MSR has been complaining about - they were sent our before the official campaign started, and therefore does not count. Also, and this is important, the Venice Code, which covers how things like elections and referendums are handled (note, this is what can be used to annul results in certain circumstances), requires that the government sets out its position AND the pros and cons. That was the reason for the leaflet. Page 16 - http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/docu ... dl-ad(2007)008-e There’s a lot more in that document, but there bits the cover referendums are interesting in the current context. The campaign for the Brexit vote started OFFICIALLY on 15th April 2016. Unofficial campaigning started in February of that year. The leaflet was delivered to households in England from 11 – 13 April. Two days before the official campaign date, and therefore does not fall within the election rules for spending. http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... m-leaflet/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaigni ... ndum,_2016So the argument about the Remain campaign overspending on the Government leaflet is bogus.
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:30 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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| | | | paulzolo wrote: The Leaflets that MSR has been complaining about - they were sent our before the official campaign started, and therefore does not count. Also, and this is important, the Venice Code, which covers how things like elections and referendums are handled (note, this is what can be used to annul results in certain circumstances), requires that the government sets out its position AND the pros and cons. That was the reason for the leaflet. Page 16 - http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/docu ... dl-ad(2007)008-e There’s a lot more in that document, but there bits the cover referendums are interesting in the current context. The campaign for the Brexit vote started OFFICIALLY on 15th April 2016. Unofficial campaigning started in February of that year. The leaflet was delivered to households in England from 11 – 13 April. Two days before the official campaign date, and therefore does not fall within the election rules for spending. http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... m-leaflet/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaigni ... ndum,_2016So the argument about the Remain campaign overspending on the Government leaflet is bogus. | | | | |
not biased at all. the leaflet most differently does not give both sides. thats why i stated in the news thread, cans of worms will be opened, when this goes before a court, if required, after the appeal ... and just to add. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... advantage/as an aside. i have also signed back up to UKIP and i am not alone.
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:34 pm |
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big_D
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I took an online test for German citizenship today. I got 32 / 33 for the "standard" level questions and 31/33 for the difficult question set...
Now looking for an appointment to do the proper test (33 random questions out of database of 300). You get an hour to do the test, I finished the above in about 5 minutes, so, hopefully the test shouldn't prove a big problem.
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:15 pm |
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paulzolo
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Here is the leaflet in HTML form. The Government site also has them in PDF form. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... for-the-ukNot giving both view points? What Happens if we Leave? https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... f-we-leaveI would argue that we are not seeing a fast negotiation with the EU happening, nor am I seeing a queue of businesses waiting to set up shop in April 2019. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -our-livesThe leaflet, which was issued BEFORE the campaign started is not subject to the rules governing the referendum. If it had been issues AFTER the campaign’s official start date, then, yes, it would be subject to scrutiny under those rules. But it isn’t. Issuing such information is a requirement under the Vienna rules. Given the blanket media coverage that the leave side had well before any of this kicked off, we can safely say that both sides had their say well before the official campaign.
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Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:33 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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the remain campaign has not been investigated, yet. only the leave campaign has ...
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:44 am |
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davrosG5
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Because the Electoral Commission found there was no case to answer based on the complaints received.
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:23 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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this is the first part. this is the second part. this is the third part. full article is here but you may not be able to read it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/201 ... -campaign/this is still ongoing via due process ...
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:20 am |
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davrosG5
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They haven't managed to make any of this stick but you keep peddling it. Remain expenditure you keep harping on about either occurred outside the window in which spending limits applied or weren't made by the official campaign or anything that could be tied sufficiently close to it to count (unlike the Leave campaign). However hard done by you feel about it, the Electoral commission is the independent arbiter of this stuff and has persistently found no case to answer for the accusations levelled at the remain campaign. Obviously you don't care about that because it doesn't fit with your warped world view but unless that position changes the remain camp has no case to answer.
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:52 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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making it stick is very hard when it has never been investigated. i believe once this has moved before a court, after the appeal, then it will be investigated. the remain campaign has very much to answer along with the remain camp. but please do remember, remain lost and are still losing. but if you look at my posts i am stating that both leave and remain have questions to answer even if i believe the case against leave is biased, but it will not change the result in anyway, shape or form ... and just to add. its in my above post with links ...
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:20 am |
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paulzolo
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Meanwhile, the leave camp has some related police enquires to look forward to, as well as paying some fines.
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:00 pm |
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paulzolo
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Stockpiling seems to the word of last week. Most papers have been reporting on it - this comes as a revelation as two Ministers - including Dominic Raab (the Brexit secretary) admitted that, yes, this is being planned for. Seems that even the most ardent Brexit supporters are moving from “Brexit will be easy” to “stockpiling food and drugs” pretty quickly now. Also, it seems that even the Brexit secretary isn’t good enough for May to continue negotiations, so she’s doing it herself now. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44941792Apparently he found out on his phone while being questioned at the select committee meeting. So, it seems that stockpiling food and drugs is a thing. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 62531.htmlPeople here may well be aware that I am asthmatic. I checked the two inhalers use - and they are both made in EU countries, not here in the UK. I could, I guess, order a few extra over the next few months, but they don’t all have long life span. My (new last week) Ventolin inhaler expires in 2020. This relieves any asthma symptoms, and is the one that I carry with me all the time. So stockpiling them would only be efficient for me if the expiry dates were to be extended - but they aren’t. Any inhaler obtained by me between now and December will all expire sometime in 2020, or possibly 2021. I also have to think about my dad who need regular medical supplies - he has a stoma and that obviously needs daily attention. I guess he can build up a supply if he feels the need, but even so, he shouldn’t have to. The problem here is that anyone with medical needs will find that the majority of their medical supplies will not come form the UK, but are imported from abroad. With the target for some being WTO only trading, that could impact heavily on the importing of drugs and medical supplies. Right now, the asthma is in good order - I actually had one of the regular checks last week and all is well. However, I am well aware that it]s the drugs keeping it under control. Shortages will quickly reverse that for me. A few days without the preventer will cause me to rely heavily on the reliever, which isn’t a good thing as that brings its own problems. Obviously going without both will be problematic for me. Multiply that by everyone in the country with regular medical needs, and you have a serious problem. Anyone wishing a no deal Brexit: you’ve lost the argument and the cause.
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Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:49 am |
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paulzolo
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 4-13014958Welcome to the 2nd August 2015, and it‘s only 9:45 when I posted this. It’s going well, then.
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Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:47 am |
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paulzolo
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MrStevenRogers
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to the above comments ... | | | | Quote: Electoral commission fines Remain campaigners £19,000
Remain campaigners have been fined £19,000 for failing to declare their spending properly during the EU referendum campaign.
The Liberal Democrats were fined £18,000 by the Electoral Commission, near the legal maximum fine of £20,000, mainly for “failing to provide acceptable invoices or receipts for 80 payments”.
“Where the rules are not followed, transparency is lost which is not in the public interest or as parliament intended,” said Bob Posner, the Commission’s legal counsel.
Meanwhile, the official Remain campaign, then known as Britain Stronger in Europe, now Open Britain, has paid a £1,250 fine imposed for not providing three invoices and for declaring some spending in aggregate rather than individual payments.
The Electoral Commission, Britain’s electoral watchdog, is still undertaking high-profile investigations into the official Leave campaign, Vote Leave, and another major Brexit group, Leave.EU and its founder Arron Banks.
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https://www.ft.com/content/2f91721d-951 ... 53897183c8and just to add too the mix, in case you missed it.two wrongs dont make a right, except in exceptional circumstances of 'let right be done', but you were saying. i look forward to the police investigation and a very possible court case ...
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E. F. Benson
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