I'm not voting. The council didn't send my postal vote out early enough.

46 Green
40 Lib Dem
37 Labour

with a whopping -30 for UKIP.

Shush, I'm clearly confused as it is

Labour 41.3
Lib Dem 41.3
Green 50
UKIP -23.6
Conservative -6.7

No great shocks I have to say although the green bit is interesting.

Lib Dem 35.3%
Green 34.9%
Labour 23.3%
Conversatives -7.8%
UKIP -26.4%

Looks about right

Ulster Unionist 17.4%
SDLP 16.8%
Sinn Fein 14.2%
Alliance 13.8%
DUP 10.6 %

It made me laugh.........


yours wecrookie

UKIP 41.8
Tory 35.8
Lib Dem 3.4
Labour 2.2
Green -2.2

Strange. I'd have thought Tory would be slightly higher than UKIP, but sounds about right in general.

Is immigration a really big problem in Aberdeenshire then?

From what I can gather, it's getting swamped by Yorkshiremen

Might as well continue here with results. My council didn't change - it's been a labour council pretty much since 1980. I only had an 'independant' to vote for other than the big three & UKIP and she hadn't even bothered to leaflet, so there was no way I was voting for her because I had no clue what her policies were. Seriously, why bother standing as an indy if you're not going to canvas? No result of the euro elections yet, I assume they'll take a fair while to come through.

I'm not overly bothered about immigration as long as they're here to work rather than claim benefits.
I just want out of the EU, or at the very least stop allowing their courts to overrule our elected parliament when it comes to human rights laws.

Playing devil's advocate for a second, 'immigration for employment' does also present it's own problems. Part of the problem the EU has (IMO) is that it has uniformity of right to employment but not uniformity of standard/cost of living. This creates a 'potential difference of labour' and it creates migration flows. If (for example) a polish doctor could earn the same living in Poland as he could in the UK, he probably wouldn't move to the UK. And him moving to the UK is in some senses bad for both countries as separate entities, even if in 'the EU as a whole' it's a zero sum.

One of the goals of the EU (again, IMO) should be to raise the living standards in it's poorer members, even if it possibly decreases living standards in it's richer members somewhat, to remove/reduce this issue. As long as you have a 'single market for jobs' but where a job at point A can earn twice (effectively) what the same job at point B can earn but there is a limited amount of work available in that job at point A, it's going to cause problems.

As it stands, they've pretty much failed to address this problem. But that's because they're doing all the easy bits first and leaving someone else to deal with the tricky bits later. Personally I believe these problems can be solved and the EU could be of massive benefit to the UK, but they need to get it right and in a lot of ways they aren't. Shows you what happens when you leave things to politicians.


Actually, am I right in thinking that before the EU the UK didn't actually even have any specific human rights laws?

There's nothing stopping us having our own ones, but they need to be balanced. At the moment they're open to abuse.

What you describe surely requires huge and permanent money flows from rich to poor areas. Which requires political union.

If I was moving countries in order t claim benefits, the UK wouldn't be my first choice...