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| Author: | bobbdobbs [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Managers are just [LIFTED] |
Scenario: You recieve some results back from an external lab. You spend 10 minutes explaining why these results are looking bad and what needs to be done. So what happens the manager suddenly asks "is there anyone who can explain these results and what needs to be done", thus completly dismissing your knowledge and expertise because you are not managerial grade.  Team grumpy is ready to go postal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Author: | gavomatic57 [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
It's important to remember that a lot of managers were promoted to get them away from the customers and the people who aren't managers yet are just too nice to tread on people's heads to satisfy their own needs. I've been very lucky with my current managers, but in a previous job my manager turned me into depressed, nervous wreck with constant anxiety. |
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| Author: | saspro [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
I believe it's bitchslap time |
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| Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
A fine example of the Dilbert Principle at work. |
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| Author: | trigen_killer [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
In my experience, there are very few managers that can actually manage AND be nice. It's either one or the other. They are either useless and nice or efficient and ruthless. In your case, the manager has been more disrespectful than downright nasty it seems, but either way would p*** you off so it doesn't make much difference. Just take a deep breath and move on, then plot the downfall of that person 
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| Author: | onemac [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
This happened to me the other day but with a different topic naturally  I simply answered "with your managerial skills and technical expertise I would have expected you to be able to answer the question or have somebody far more intelligent than you explain it in simple terms for you to understand".I don't think my request for a regrading will be looked upon favourably...  Al |
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| Author: | John_Vella [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
Hiding a stash of drugs in his draw or under his keyboard then calling the cops with an anonyomous tipoff would be illegal, unethical and unprofessional and I would never recommend it as a course of action... Unless I was trying to get a cheap laugh   The more sensible reply would be to get a nice cup of tea and try not to worry about it. It's only work, and when you finish your shift you don't have to even think about it, (or him) until tomorrow. |
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| Author: | bobbdobbs [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
The manager concerned is a classic management trainee.. straight out of university with no practical knowledge or life skills and yet is suddenly superb managerial material. Given a promotion and a work stream to manage with no knowledge and yet suddenly is able to do everything. She went to a senior scientist and was told exactly the same as I said. Oh well only 3 hours until home time.
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| Author: | okenobi [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
I've had two decent managers in 8 jobs. Rubbish managers are a fact of working life and I suspect will continue to be for some time. In fact, poor leadership is responsible for the vast majority of the world's problems if you think about it. |
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| Author: | dogbert10 [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
We have four levels of management - I only have to deal with the one above. They come in two varieties: the first are complete numpties and spend their entire time making powerpoint presentations to show to the managers above them (who frequently don't have a clue as to what you're on about but as long as there are some nice pictures, a few graphs - preferably with less that four points and a straight line through them - and maybe a prototye they can pick up and fondle, they're easily pleased. The second are a rare breed - the ones who actually know what you're doing, why you're doing it and, on occasion - albeit very rarely - they will actually get their hands "dirty" and actually do something productive (however, I find it's usually best to dissuade them from this, as by the time you've explained what wants doing, you could have done it yourself in triplicate). But - and it's a big but - these very same managers decide at the end of the year whether or not you've achieved (or even exceeded) your targets for the year. Exceed = bigger pay rise, so it's worth being nice to them.....sometimes. |
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| Author: | gavomatic57 [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:29 pm ] | |||||||||
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An all too common and dumb practice. Universities fill their heads with some bizarre god complex and unrealistic expectations and send them out into the working world under prepared and over-confident. |
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| Author: | John_Vella [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
When I was a contractor, I once worked for an I.T manager who couldn't tell the difference between an Excel spreadsheet and a Word document. No lie! He was the sort of person who would spend 20 minutes asking you to type an email for him, (that would have taken him 2 minutes to do himself) and then stand over your shoulder actually stopping you and saying that he didn't want you to word a sentence in a certain way, and actually telling you what to write, word for word. I told him to go [LIFTED] himself and walked out into nothing. Well, it actually took me about an hour and a half to secure a contract, which started the following week, and as the company I had left paid me 4 weeks wages I did alright there. This doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but I thought I'd share
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| Author: | Geiseric [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Managers are just [LIFTED] |
We're not all [LIFTED]! I've worked my way up from a machine setter to production supervisor, then production manager. I then side stepped to a technical manager's roll about 9 years ago. Edit - So I vote Pie (which reminds me, I had a lovely chicken and leek pie from M&S last night..... f-ing gorgeous). |
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| Author: | gavomatic57 [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:24 am ] | |||||||||
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I think that's an important point - those managers who have worked their way up from the bottom are invariably better managers than those bloody university graduate upstarts who think they are entitled to a good job. Discuss! |
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| Author: | Linux_User [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:08 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Oi, I'm a soon-to-be graduate! I've been one of the "little" people, so I know exactly where you're coming from. I don't see management as just a place where you sit on high dictating how things go down, but rather as a support role where one leads by example, is ready to jump in and get their hands dirty and is willing to lend a hand to get things done. Of course there is the stick element to it too - after all it's management who take the fall if things get FUBAR'd. |
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