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Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:11 am ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Search is a bit rubbish so putting stuff here to make my life easier.
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Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
I couldn't find the above posts so I ended up using a Pizza Hut dough recipe from the internet (it was american based so everything was in cups). I think this was the recipe I followed: http://www.food.com/recipe/pizza-hut-or ... izza-91827 Mistake #1 - didn't need the dough for the requisite 10 mins Mistake #2 - should have used a bit more flour. The dough was way too sticky after being left to rise Mistake #3 - should have rolled the dough on to the pizza tray before leaving to rise Frustratingly, the bases of the pizzas are still underdone compared to the top. By the time the bottom is done, the cheese has almost browned over completely ie burnt. |
Author: | veato [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:15 am ] | |||||||||
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This is why I like the cast iron pan method as it ensures the base is cooked. |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
Yup did toy with the idea. But our oven and grill are electric. Trying to make cheese-on-toast is a nightmare and I've resorted to making the American version using a frying pan. Any dish with cheese on top and whacked under the electric grill results in the cheese sort of mutating without browning or bubbling as you'd expect from a gas grill. I need to stick to a single recipe but change cooking methods now. I think I'll look at pizza stones again. The other suggestion swmbo had was to stick the base alone into the oven for a few mins before removing and adding the sauce, cheese and toppings. |
Author: | jonlumb [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
Personally I don't use semolina in pizza, but that's a matter of preference. My general advice would be as follows: The oven needs to be pre-heated to its maximum temperature (normally 220C +). A proper pizza oven gets even hotter; I've seen Italian pizza ovens cook a pizza in about 3-4 minutes from fresh. Make sure whatever you are putting the pizza on for cooking has also been pre-heated. A pizza stone really is the best thing you can use. If you put it into the oven when you first turn it on, everything should be properly hot after about 15 minutes. I tend to make the pizza on greaseproof paper, that way it can be very quickly moved onto the hot stone and back into the over without the two losing too much temperature. Also try and get the base as thin as possible, none of this deep-pan nonsense. I've experienced efforts where people have tried par-cooking the base first and they've always been universally awful, they seem to go tough and chewy. Make sure you don't put too much stuff on top, otherwise that can also inhibit the cooking process. |
Author: | davrosG5 [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
I think a proper pizza oven gets up to somewhere in the 300 - 400C range (and probably nearer the upper end of that range) whereas most domestic ovens top out around the 250C mark so yeah, it's not going to be quite the same. |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:34 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I've found it to make the pizza taste more akin to what I'd get from a pizzeria.
I was looking at a pizza stone and peel. There was a recommendation on this forum but can't find it due to search limitations.
As a kid, I used to prefer deep pan. Loved the bready dough. But nowadays much prefer a thin crust
Sounds disappointing. We might still give it a go if we don't get a pizza stone before we make our next pizza.
Yup. Told swmbo this time to use fewer toppings. Did work out better in terms of taste.
Frustratingly, it's not something that's easy to find out when looking online at ovens. You'd have thought it'd be obvious. Our electric oven maxes out at 230*C. I'd like to think when we update our kitchen and upgrade the oven that it'll be something that gets close to pizza oven temps. I know in terms of practicality (and swmbo) that this will be overridden. |
Author: | davrosG5 [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:26 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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It's probably to do with insulation - either in the appliance itself or that would be required to safely fit it in somewhere that's the problem. It's presumably a lot easier to insulate something for 230 - 250C than it is for 350 - 400C. The ovens they use on things like Saturday Kitchen are made by a company called Wolf. It looks like they have a dedicated 'stone' setting and go up to 290C. Their website is rather cagey on the prices though so I suspect they aren't going to be cheap. |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:36 pm ] | |||||||||
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Well John Lewis has some Wolf ovens. Cost is £12-18k. A bit out of my price range. |
Author: | davrosG5 [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
Good grief. That's way more than I was expecting. Another of those "if you have to ask the price you can't afford it" things. Edit: On inspection, the stuff JL are listing are all range cookers rather than just ovens. Still bloody expensive though. |
Author: | veato [ Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
Sod the expensive ovens, I'd like to build my own brick pizza oven in the garden. A plinth like this and a few fire bricks... job done! A book I'd recommend is Artisan Pizza by Giuseppe Mascoli and Bridget Hugo (ISBN 978-0-85783-217-7). It shows the methods and recipes to make Franco Manca's sourdough pizza without the benefit of a wood-burning oven. The three methods in the book are pizza stone, iron pan and baking tray with dough recipes to suit although all the pizzas in the book are made using the iron pan method. The theory being that domestic ovens fail to reach a temperature high enough for a stone to be worthwhile although I found I got decent results anyway. I do use the iron pan method now though and whilst my grill is pants (electric) it's good enough. You can go pan to oven also if you don't have a grill. My (now broken) pizza stone https://www.procook.co.uk/product/procook-pizza-stone-38cm-15in?gclid=CjwKEAjwjqO_BRDribyJpc_mzHgSJABdnsFWIv6w_AmASOD7_LXDCesfd-dNDeRwpvJDcupDfmGx2hoC6qnw_wcB My peel https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pizza-Peel-Paddle-Lifter-Consumables/dp/B01KVDTXTE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1474915847&sr=8-4&keywords=pizza+peel My pan https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vintage-Gourmet-TM-Pre-Seasoned-Tortillas/dp/B00V29TT8M/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1474915889&sr=8-12&keywords=pizza+pan I'm not saying these items are the best but they did the job for me and are reasonably priced. |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
Thanks veato. That's the same stone I saw on Amazon IIRC but had issues with it breaking/splitting. Similar if not the same paddle. Shame the handle isn't foldable/removable for easy storage. Will look at the cast iron pan method. I remember going to a local independent fast food restaurant and they used a metal dish to hold the pizza whilst it moved along a conveyor belt under some sort of oven. |
Author: | veato [ Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
The stones tend to crack due to rapid heat changes so always start with it in a cold oven and let it cool back down in the oven afterwards. Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
We made pizzas again today. I tried something different - used more flour instead of adding semolina and used a third of veato's quantities to make two pizzas. Unfortunately the dough didn't rise, most likely because it's too cold in the kitchen now. Consequently the base was more thin'n'crispy than bready. Still tasted good and the base was cooked. Gonna try and get my hands on a cast iron pan for the pizza. |
Author: | veato [ Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Pizza Making thread |
Dough can rise at lower temps - even in the fridge! - it just takes a lot longer. One of the recipes in the book I've mentioed before IIRC is left 24 hours to rise. |
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