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Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:00 am ]
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Brexit: Theresa May heads to Brussels after EU vote loss

Theresa May is due at a summit in Brussels, hours after Conservative rebels in the Commons defeated the government in a key Brexit vote.
MPs backed an amendment giving them a legal guarantee of a vote on the final Brexit deal struck with Brussels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346898

Interesting developments last night. A number of Tories rebelled against the government to ensure that they got a vote on the final deal (why there won’t be a referendum on it is another matter). I guess that vote will be “yes” or “no” and “no” will mean MSR having an orgy of celebration while the country bellies up and adopts WTO rules.

The good news is that this is exactly the kind of control over our laws that the Brexit folk wanted - and our MPs, not Theresa May, will make the final decision. This also shows how fragile the government is. Even WITH the DUP propping it up, it can fail in key legislation. And May is going to Brussels today. She probably expected to go with better news than this.

Oh, the rabid right-wing press are happily describing the Tory rebels as “traitors” because they have a narrative to maintain.

Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

Brexit makes it to Panto!

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"Widow Twankey, I see you're wearing your Brexit dress!"
"Yes. The second I'm out of it we'll all be having second thoughts."
Props to Weston-Super-Mare panto for taking such a staunchly anti-Brexit line in a region that voted 52% to leave.

https://twitter.com/jrawson/status/942059268907438080

Author:  pcernie [ Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news ... mp-157606/

That's right, a literal failboat.

The MoD in charge of a royal yacht with a remarkably small price tag? You might as well drown the Windsors now... And that's before the inevitable security scare.

Author:  big_D [ Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

Who still builds the large luxury yachts in the UK? (Genuine question, I used to follow the boat market, when I was younger and in the UK, but have lost track. We have naval outfitters, like Vosper Thornycroft, down on the Solent, but proper luxury craft of that size, with modern defences?)

Boats of that size, with anti-submarine defences, personal submarine, anti-rocket defences etc. are very nice (and expensive), you see a lot of them up in Hamburg, for example, where they get laid up in the floating dry-docks for repair work. A lot of Arab sheiks and Russian and US billionaires have these sorts of boats, but I'm not sure where they come from.

Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

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Brexit: Nigel Farage says 'maybe' there should be a second referendum on EU membership

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 53106.html

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The former UKIP leader made the shock announcement on Channel 5's The Wright Stuff this morning, saying it's the only way to end 'whinging, whining and moaning' over the original vote's narrow margin

Nigel Farage laid the foundations for a second political earthquake today when he said he has changed his mind on holding a second Brexit referendum.

Speaking on Channel 5's The Wright Stuff this morning, the former UKIP leader said he wanted to put any doubt over the issue to bed and 'kill the issue for a generation'.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/n ... g-11833828

So there you have it. Volksleader Farage is changing his mind on another referendum.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

paulzolo wrote:
Quote:
Brexit: Nigel Farage says 'maybe' there should be a second referendum on EU membership

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 53106.html

Quote:
The former UKIP leader made the shock announcement on Channel 5's The Wright Stuff this morning, saying it's the only way to end 'whinging, whining and moaning' over the original vote's narrow margin

Nigel Farage laid the foundations for a second political earthquake today when he said he has changed his mind on holding a second Brexit referendum.

Speaking on Channel 5's The Wright Stuff this morning, the former UKIP leader said he wanted to put any doubt over the issue to bed and 'kill the issue for a generation'.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/n ... g-11833828

So there you have it. Volksleader Farage is changing his mind on another referendum.


why not have a referendum on whether we should have another referendum on the EU. then hold a referendum or not on the result of the referendum to decide if we have a referendum on the referendum about the EU. when that is done then we can decide if we do not agree with the result of the referendum to hold a referendum ...

but i can understand Nigel Farage's frustration about the EU negotiations and the remoan camp ...

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

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I do not want a second vote on Brexit, but my fellow Leavers must be ready to fight for it again
NIGEL FARAGE


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The EU referendum on June 23, 2016 was the greatest democratic exercise in the history of our nation. In the face of the global establishment and the outrageous tissue of lies peddled by those responsible for Project Fear, people still voted to Leave the European Union. That should have been that. If only.

Had the Remain side won, any suggestion that a second referendum should be held would have been dismissed. But the establishment for once found itself on the losing side. Over the last 18 months its efforts to delay, to water down or, at the most extreme end of its wish-list, to re-run the referendum altogether know no bounds.

It is the nature of the dishonesty of our political class that the vast majority of our MP's stood on general election manifestos pledging to leave the EU and the single market, yet just months later that so many of them have conveniently changed their tune. It is not surprising, but it is shameful.


so say we all, who voted to leave ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/201 ... ady-fight/

Author:  Spreadie [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:24 am ]
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paulzolo wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-changes-mind-holding-11833828

So there you have it. Volksleader Farage is changing his mind on another referendum.

Yeah, I don't think he realises the very likely consequences of a second vote - people will be inclined to take it much more seriously.

MrStevenRogers wrote:
so say we all, who voted to leave ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/201 ... ady-fight/

...and he finally does some research on the current national feeling towards Brexit and flipflops again.

What a shocker.

I love how those who voted Remain are called "Remoaners", yet all the whinging and crying is coming from the leave camp.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:02 am ]
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yes indeed, boo hoo we are leaving i hope that is enough crying for you ...

Author:  Spreadie [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

MrStevenRogers wrote:
yes indeed, boo hoo we are leaving i hope that is enough crying for you ...

Oh, stop behaving like a petulant child, ffs.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

Spreadie wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
yes indeed, boo hoo we are leaving i hope that is enough crying for you ...

Oh, stop behaving like a petulant child, ffs.


i am only conforming to stated and alleged opinion on crying and whinging leave voters.
of course remoan voters are entirely above and beyond such things such as whinging and crying over spilt EU milk ...

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

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Brexit: MPs vote to push EU Withdrawal Bill through to the House of Lords. MPs voted in favour of the bill by 324 to 295 votes.


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 42931.html

another step along the road ...

Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

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Leaked government Brexit paper suggests UK economic hit
The UK economy will grow more slowly outside the European Union, no matter what deal is struck with Brussels, a leaked government document suggests.

BuzzFeed News reports the Whitehall analysis found growth over the next 15 years could be up to 8% lower than if the UK stayed in the EU.

The document is said to look at the likely impact of different scenarios.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42867668

Project Fear, eh? Even the DExEU says that there’ll be a hit taken whatever kind of exit we end up with.

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Government sources say the UK will not be worse off, and its preferred bespoke trade deal option was not analysed.

You have to wonder why not.

Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

paulzolo wrote:
Quote:
Leaked government Brexit paper suggests UK economic hit
The UK economy will grow more slowly outside the European Union, no matter what deal is struck with Brussels, a leaked government document suggests.

BuzzFeed News reports the Whitehall analysis found growth over the next 15 years could be up to 8% lower than if the UK stayed in the EU.

The document is said to look at the likely impact of different scenarios.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42867668

Project Fear, eh? Even the DExEU says that there’ll be a hit taken whatever kind of exit we end up with.

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Government sources say the UK will not be worse off, and its preferred bespoke trade deal option was not analysed.

You have to wonder why not.


its a report, just that, just like all reports and i have read many, does not mean its fact.
if the world was flat, the key point is 'if', and most reports rely on crystal balls for prediction.

but like most Govt. reports they are compiled by the civil service and civil servants which are well known for their views on leaving the EU.

the only prove of the pudding (or reports) is when we leave the EU, which we most certainly will, everything else is just conjecture and hearsay ...

Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Brexit Britain

MrStevenRogers wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
Quote:
Leaked government Brexit paper suggests UK economic hit
The UK economy will grow more slowly outside the European Union, no matter what deal is struck with Brussels, a leaked government document suggests.

BuzzFeed News reports the Whitehall analysis found growth over the next 15 years could be up to 8% lower than if the UK stayed in the EU.

The document is said to look at the likely impact of different scenarios.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42867668

Project Fear, eh? Even the DExEU says that there’ll be a hit taken whatever kind of exit we end up with.

Quote:
Government sources say the UK will not be worse off, and its preferred bespoke trade deal option was not analysed.

You have to wonder why not.


its a report, just that, just like all reports and i have read many, does not mean its fact.
if the world was flat, the key point is 'if', and most reports rely on crystal balls for prediction.

but like most Govt. reports they are compiled by the civil service and civil servants which are well known for their views on leaving the EU ...


It’s a report from DexEU - headed by David Davis, who is one of a staunch Leavers. They have not found anything positive to add to this - and their preferred choice has not even been included. That’s really odd, as you would expect that to be included with all the trimmings.

So the government’s department responsible for Brexit isn’t warm on the idea. It’s not the Treasury griping, or the Foreign Office. It’s the Department for Exiting the EU.

People who want to remain are criticised daily for “talking the country down”/ Well, looks like those who are doing the real damage are those on the opposite side of the fence.

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