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Author: | big_D [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Brexit Britain |
Another AfD update, we had the Lower Saxony state elections on Sunday and AfD did better than expected, they overtook the left wing Linke (literally Left) party, but only managed 6%, which means they are present in the Lower Saxony parliament for the first time, whereas the Linke didn't get any seats. But Lower Saxony and the other western states are traditionally a poor place for AfD, they only seem to do well in the poorer eastern states. They are popular among the unemployed, even though they are the worst possible choice for the unemployed... But "throw out immigrants" seems to be all that those in the East hear and that gets AfD some votes there. |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:43 pm ] | |||||||||
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the vote for AfD has risen in the last election but not high enough to produce a Govt. yet. your thoughts on the Austrian election please. reason for asking. i may read many things but i am not on the ground ... |
Author: | big_D [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Brexit Britain |
He is young and charismatic and the CSU in Bavaria are happy with their new "partner", because he is talking about capping the number of immigrants. There is a general feeling of unuease about having him as president. He is dynamic, and that is probably what got him the votes, he also knows how to kick up a s-storm around his opponents and can use social media. |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:29 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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similar to my thoughts. but a trend seems to be coming in to place. eastern Europe, central Europe, southern Europe along with the UK's exit from the EU ...
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Author: | paulzolo [ Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:01 am ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41684111 The key word here being “defend”. Not “recommend”, or any other number of positive phrases. No, it’s “defend”. She knows that whatever happens she’ll be criticised to the end of the world for it, and whatever deal she does get will result in us being significantly worse off. This thread (I hate these - why can‘t people just post to blogs and link to them on Twitter?) from Jo Maugham QC kind of outlines the problems we’ll be having. https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/statu ... 1692205057
There’s a lot in this thread. eg:
And so on. There are major problems he sees, one of which seems to be the almost bling religious zealotry of those who wish to leave and think that “everything will be fine” but have nothing solid to back this assertion up. If people can make evidence-based threads like this on the consequences of leaving, and those consequences are so bad, then where are the equivalent ones from those who want a positive outlook? Quick spoiler: the unicorns have them. There are about 20 tweets in that thread, plus all the screen grabs. The WTO does not come out of this at all well. |
Author: | big_D [ Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Brexit Britain |
I hope your wings grow before you hit the bottom of the cliff then! |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Brexit Britain |
we wont fall of any cliff after we leave the EU. we have red bull ... |
Author: | timark_uk [ Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:21 pm ] | |||||||||
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Mark |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:47 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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thats why we need WTO it has wings you know ... |
Author: | paulzolo [ Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:58 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actual ... 6127ce33c6 SPOILER ALERT:
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Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:33 am ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... Britain-UK the ECJ will have no longer any jurisdiction within a sovereign country (the UK). but the whole matter revolves around cash payments. the EU are not getting any more, well not after 2020. they will have to pay to trade with the UK. WTO all the way with the EU. but the date for leaving the EU makes sense to me as well. no deal from both sides is the best possible option. we can negotiate afterwards. but i will still wait for the EU to hang on until the 59th minute of the 11 hour, thats their style of negotiating ... |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:58 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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i thought i would post this. it about sums up how i feel but am unable to put it down in writing. i am not trying to rub salt into any open wound ...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking ... t-country/ |
Author: | hifidelity2 [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Brexit Britain |
Brilliant ^^ |
Author: | big_D [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Brexit Britain |
Interestingly that post is both for and against Brexit and for and against Europe. Many of the themes, epsecially the last two call for a strengthening of unity and would be accomplished by bolstering up the EU, not walking away from it... Given how the EU has, until now, kept the worst excesses of the UK parliament in check, I hate to think how much worse the UK would have been without its EU membership over the last several decades... I grew up in the EU generation, I have only known the EU and I wouldn't want to live in a UK without it. (Which is good, as I don't currently live in the UK.) On several occassions the UK government has tried to legislate things that are harmful to the UK population (but good for business and spies) and these policies and laws have been rebutted by the EU. Whilst the EU might get in the way on some things, it does seem to stop the worst excesses of the misuse of power and the corruption of society. If the UK had its way, the UK population would have less data protections than US citizens, which are considered among the worst in the "free world"... I certainly saw the country going down hill when I was living in the UK. When I moved to Southampton, I could leave the French windows open when I went shopping and I often forgot to close the windows on the car, when I got home from work late. Back then, my neighbour would knock on the door the next morning and tell me that I had left the windows open. The CDs were still in the car, as was the radio and my coat and briefcase were still on the back seat and the chequebook still in the coat pocket... The last couple of years were worse and I started locking doors and closing windows when I went out and I used to make sure I locked the car. I spoke with my old neighbour earlier this year, now the estate has been taken over by unemployed "scum" (his words) and they can't even leave the cars on the street at night without having tyres slashed, aerials ripped off or the car broken into. They wouldn't even thnk about leaving the French windows open now, if they went up stairs to the toilet, let alone left the house! Likewise, my mother moved to Alton in the mid 90s. She used to walk the couple of hundred meters to the chippy or the Indian takeaway. By 2005, she was taking the car those few hundred meters, because she no longer felt safe walking there! This is in a sleepy little town in Hampshire, not some run down ghetto in a major city! You couldn't leave your car in the car park next to the flats at night, because the local youths used to race in the car park - the police only dealt with it half-heartedly, they would drive into one end of the car park with blues-and-twos going and let the racers scarper out the other end of the car park!! In Germany there is still a strong sense of family and young people still learn a reasonable amount of discipline, at least the current young-adult generation. The next generation seems to be getting more violent and less respectful, which is what I observed in the late 1980s at school, each successive year was more violent, less disciplined and more anti-social than the previous year. There were obviously exceptions, but the majority of each successive year in the school seemed to worse than the one before. At college, I had a death threat, because I caught somebody vandalising the pool tables to get free games (breaking the pocket over the release mechanism, breaking the glass around the chute etc.) and had him banned (I was the Common Room and Refectory Chairman on the Student Council). A flaming death threat because somebody was actually caught red-handed doing something wrong! I didn't take it seriously at first, but a friend of mine who knew the person who got banned warned me, that he carried a large knife around with him. Luckily nothing ever came of it, but that was a new experience for me. Germany isn't that bad, yet, but I still see it moving that way, especially with the likes of AfD on the march. In Germany, I still leave windows open when I go out. In Bavaria, I forgot to lock my car and after a week of not having used it, found it wasn't locked when I went to get into it. I have a German friend who is a motorbike nut, he used to leave his garage unlocked and the keys in the ignition of his bikes (he has now moved and doesn't have a garage at the new place, so they are kept in a container on his work premises now). He gave his friends an open invitation, if they were in the area and wanted a ride, just remember to fill the tank when you brought the bike back (and a "you bend it, you mend it" policy to damage). He also never locked the patio door, so you could always walk in and make a coffee or grab a beer. I can't think of many large towns in the UK where you could get away with that. I saw this move to violence and isolation sweep across the Atlantic from the USA to the UK when I was growing up and I see it moving across Europe now (and coming from the former Eastern Block), with central Western Europe being still relatively untouched, compared to the USA, UK and the former Soviet states. |
Author: | paulzolo [ Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:07 am ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Brexit Britain | |||||||||
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_tw That‘s a huge amount of money, and there is absolutely no guarantee that we’ll be any better off once this process has been seen to completion. We also do not yet know what the final bill for this admin will be yet - but I’m expecting it will at least triple between now and March 2019. Next, we’ll have people griping that we’re spending too much on foreign aid. Well, here’s the plughole of waste. |
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