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MrStevenRogers
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13+ billion pounds per year overseas aid and increasing compared to 1/2 (half) a billion pounds, thus far, to leave the EU. 1/2 (half) a billion pounds is money well spent V 13+ billion pounds which is wasted overseas. not withstanding that "Britain handed a colossal £13.9 billion pounds to the EU last year, official figures revealed today." i do wonder what we could do with all them billions of pounds if the money was spent at home instead of elsewhere ...
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Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:18 pm |
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paulzolo
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497The Brexit deal seems to have found a complex obstacle - and, as everyone predicted, it’s Northern Ireland and the border with the Republic of Ireland. The border itself is a tenuous, windy thing that crosses houses, gardens, roads and who know what else. The DUP represents absolutely no constituencies that border with the Irish Republic, yet they are now calling the shots. In a sense, I actually am forced to agree with the DUP - their reasoning that if the UK pulls out of the EU, there should be no special cases for various regions set up makes perfect sense to me. A border in the Irish Sea is, frankly, ridiculous, and divisive for the UK as a whole. It would also prompt other regions to demand special treatment. We have to adopt an “all or nothing” approach to this if the goal is to leave. May is, however, on frankly very shaky ground now. I’ve heard, again, people speculating that there could be a General Election triggered by her inability to reach a deal (one which, should have been reached a few months ago - but our own government’s incompetence has dragged it on and on). There is clearly no simple solution, one that the DUP will find it very hard to sell to their supporters, and one which the Tories will find very hard to sell to the rest of us. The best option would be to accept that Brexit is a failure, apologise, and build bridges with the EU nations and remain.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:27 am |
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TheFrenchun
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Ireland was always going to be a mess. I saw an Irish trade specialist on TV the other day say that Ireland only exports about 15% to the UK, and nearly 30% to the US. They are not scared of the border choking them, which is what T.May hoped
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:50 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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| | | | paulzolo wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497The Brexit deal seems to have found a complex obstacle - and, as everyone predicted, it’s Northern Ireland and the border with the Republic of Ireland. The border itself is a tenuous, windy thing that crosses houses, gardens, roads and who know what else. The DUP represents absolutely no constituencies that border with the Irish Republic, yet they are now calling the shots. In a sense, I actually am forced to agree with the DUP - their reasoning that if the UK pulls out of the EU, there should be no special cases for various regions set up makes perfect sense to me. A border in the Irish Sea is, frankly, ridiculous, and divisive for the UK as a whole. It would also prompt other regions to demand special treatment. We have to adopt an “all or nothing” approach to this if the goal is to leave. May is, however, on frankly very shaky ground now. I’ve heard, again, people speculating that there could be a General Election triggered by her inability to reach a deal (one which, should have been reached a few months ago - but our own government’s incompetence has dragged it on and on). There is clearly no simple solution, one that the DUP will find it very hard to sell to their supporters, and one which the Tories will find very hard to sell to the rest of us. The best option would be to accept that Brexit is a failure, apologise, and build bridges with the EU nations and remain. | | | | |
the only ones making the issue complex is the EU. the UK will abide by the good Friday agreement. and the more the waters get muddied the closer we are to a 'no deal' exit, which is my preferred option. a no deal exit will give the UK no time limits or other restraints in any future negotiations with the EU. but i do thank the DUP, very much so, for stopping the borders moving to the Irish sea ... just as a ps. i dont believe there will be a GE not unless there is a vote of no confidence but a leadership challenge looks likely. but i do urge caution, as you may get your wish but it most likely will not be the wish you wished for ...
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:56 am |
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paulzolo
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| | | | MrStevenRogers wrote: | | | | paulzolo wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497The Brexit deal seems to have found a complex obstacle - and, as everyone predicted, it’s Northern Ireland and the border with the Republic of Ireland. The border itself is a tenuous, windy thing that crosses houses, gardens, roads and who know what else. The DUP represents absolutely no constituencies that border with the Irish Republic, yet they are now calling the shots. In a sense, I actually am forced to agree with the DUP - their reasoning that if the UK pulls out of the EU, there should be no special cases for various regions set up makes perfect sense to me. A border in the Irish Sea is, frankly, ridiculous, and divisive for the UK as a whole. It would also prompt other regions to demand special treatment. We have to adopt an “all or nothing” approach to this if the goal is to leave. May is, however, on frankly very shaky ground now. I’ve heard, again, people speculating that there could be a General Election triggered by her inability to reach a deal (one which, should have been reached a few months ago - but our own government’s incompetence has dragged it on and on). There is clearly no simple solution, one that the DUP will find it very hard to sell to their supporters, and one which the Tories will find very hard to sell to the rest of us. The best option would be to accept that Brexit is a failure, apologise, and build bridges with the EU nations and remain. | | | | |
the only ones making the issue complex is the EU. the UK will abide by the good Friday agreement. and the more the waters get muddied the closer we are to a 'no deal' exit, which is my preferred option. a no deal exit will give the UK no time limits or other restraints in any future negotiations with the EU. but i do thank the DUP, very much so, for stopping the borders moving to the Irish sea ... just as a ps. i dont believe there will be a GE not unless there is a vote of no confidence but a leadership challenge looks likely. but i do urge caution, as you may get your wish but it most likely will not be the wish you wished for ... | | | | |
A no deal exit will not be a planned one, but a consequence of our government’s ineptitude. It won’t be planned, or even mitigated for, save for some sticky plaster over the cracks. Any deals we do post such a brexit will be subject to our behaviour during the brexit negotiations and the consequences of their failure. We’ll be taken advantage of left, right and centre. Clearly, we can’t do brexit without losing any remaining dignity we may be able to cling to. It’s a mess. A car crash. A train wreck. And the incompetents can’t see it, and the brexit fans sit around with their false optimism.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:16 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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disagree here the only option was a no deal option from the very beginning. you can only negotiate with the EU from outside. from within the EU its do as you are instructed. there is no ineptitude only the remain camp and EU members trying by all means to derail the EU exit by fair or foul means. that will fail for the simple reason it is now showing up the EU as the undemocratic bag of garbage they so truly are. there is only one answer to such so called indignity. leave and trade worldwide with no recourse to the EU whatsoever ...
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:28 pm |
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paulzolo
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How we leave the EU will surely reflect on any negotiations that we do anywhere else. If we leave badly, refuse to honour our obligations, other countries will look at that and wonder if we negotiate all deals with equally bad faith. We may get deals, but not ones that will be as equitable for us as we would like.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:43 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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we have already stated we will pay the EU until the end of the EU finance period (even without any signed off EU accounts). which is beyond our leaving date. also bear in mind the UK has been a net contributor to the EU for the entire membership period of over 40 years. we leave a clean sheet. we leave without any blemish. we just only need to leave ...
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:28 pm |
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davrosG5
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You can't seriously have typed that with a straight face. Boris and David Davis both spring to mind straight away.
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:38 pm |
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Spreadie
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You can't seriously have typed that expecting a cogent response?
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:12 am |
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paulzolo
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Did someone mention David Davis? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42249854"Frazzled and cheesed off"? I expect he’s closer to a sacking than ever before now, and he knows it.
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:37 pm |
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paulzolo
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The Government have forfeited any right to continue with Brexit because of their continued negligence and incompetence. Shut the thing down, put on the brakes. Call the whole thing off. No deal/WTO is not an option.
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:18 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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thank you for answering the question therefore i shall refrain from giving an answer, many thanks ...
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:39 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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the Govt. only forfeit any right if voted out of power. yes i agree shut/close/cancel any further negotiations and call off any kind of deal and leave the EU immediately. under WTO they, the EU, will have to then negotiate a deal at our time and pace and while that is happening they, the EU, are paying us ...
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:48 pm |
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paulzolo
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The Brexit gang have lost any credibility that they and their cause might have had. There are no risk assessments to tell us the likely impact of leaving. There is apparently no plan for any targets post Brexit either. They were never done. We cannot, in any sane universe, jump into the unknown without some kind of idea where we will end up. Brexit is a failed experiment. Revoke the A50 letter, say sorry, and hope that the EU will welcome us back. This is now the only sane course of action.
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