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Preparations to leave the EU have already cost the government half a billion pounds and will lead the headcount in Whitehall to balloon by at least 8,000 workers by the end of next year, the government has admitted.

The Brexit secretary, David Davis, told the cabinet there had been a “significant acceleration” in work to get Britain ready for its EU departure, with 300 programmes under way across the government.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_tw

That‘s a huge amount of money, and there is absolutely no guarantee that we’ll be any better off once this process has been seen to completion. We also do not yet know what the final bill for this admin will be yet - but I’m expecting it will at least triple between now and March 2019.

Next, we’ll have people griping that we’re spending too much on foreign aid. Well, here’s the plughole of waste.


13+ billion pounds per year overseas aid and increasing compared to 1/2 (half) a billion pounds, thus far, to leave the EU.
1/2 (half) a billion pounds is money well spent V 13+ billion pounds which is wasted overseas.

not withstanding that "Britain handed a colossal £13.9 billion pounds to the EU last year, official figures revealed today."

i do wonder what we could do with all them billions of pounds if the money was spent at home instead of elsewhere ...

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Brexit: Theresa May under pressure to get DUP on side

Theresa May is under pressure to get an agreement from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) on the status of the Irish border when the UK leaves the EU.

The prime minister pulled out of a deal with Brussels that would have kick-started trade talks after meeting fierce resistance from the DUP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497

The Brexit deal seems to have found a complex obstacle - and, as everyone predicted, it’s Northern Ireland and the border with the Republic of Ireland. The border itself is a tenuous, windy thing that crosses houses, gardens, roads and who know what else. The DUP represents absolutely no constituencies that border with the Irish Republic, yet they are now calling the shots.

In a sense, I actually am forced to agree with the DUP - their reasoning that if the UK pulls out of the EU, there should be no special cases for various regions set up makes perfect sense to me. A border in the Irish Sea is, frankly, ridiculous, and divisive for the UK as a whole. It would also prompt other regions to demand special treatment. We have to adopt an “all or nothing” approach to this if the goal is to leave.

May is, however, on frankly very shaky ground now. I’ve heard, again, people speculating that there could be a General Election triggered by her inability to reach a deal (one which, should have been reached a few months ago - but our own government’s incompetence has dragged it on and on).

There is clearly no simple solution, one that the DUP will find it very hard to sell to their supporters, and one which the Tories will find very hard to sell to the rest of us.

The best option would be to accept that Brexit is a failure, apologise, and build bridges with the EU nations and remain.

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Ireland was always going to be a mess. I saw an Irish trade specialist on TV the other day say that Ireland only exports about 15% to the UK, and nearly 30% to the US. They are not scared of the border choking them, which is what T.May hoped


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Brexit: Theresa May under pressure to get DUP on side

Theresa May is under pressure to get an agreement from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) on the status of the Irish border when the UK leaves the EU.

The prime minister pulled out of a deal with Brussels that would have kick-started trade talks after meeting fierce resistance from the DUP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497

The Brexit deal seems to have found a complex obstacle - and, as everyone predicted, it’s Northern Ireland and the border with the Republic of Ireland. The border itself is a tenuous, windy thing that crosses houses, gardens, roads and who know what else. The DUP represents absolutely no constituencies that border with the Irish Republic, yet they are now calling the shots.

In a sense, I actually am forced to agree with the DUP - their reasoning that if the UK pulls out of the EU, there should be no special cases for various regions set up makes perfect sense to me. A border in the Irish Sea is, frankly, ridiculous, and divisive for the UK as a whole. It would also prompt other regions to demand special treatment. We have to adopt an “all or nothing” approach to this if the goal is to leave.

May is, however, on frankly very shaky ground now. I’ve heard, again, people speculating that there could be a General Election triggered by her inability to reach a deal (one which, should have been reached a few months ago - but our own government’s incompetence has dragged it on and on).

There is clearly no simple solution, one that the DUP will find it very hard to sell to their supporters, and one which the Tories will find very hard to sell to the rest of us.

The best option would be to accept that Brexit is a failure, apologise, and build bridges with the EU nations and remain.


the only ones making the issue complex is the EU. the UK will abide by the good Friday agreement.
and the more the waters get muddied the closer we are to a 'no deal' exit, which is my preferred option.
a no deal exit will give the UK no time limits or other restraints in any future negotiations with the EU.

but i do thank the DUP, very much so, for stopping the borders moving to the Irish sea ...

just as a ps.
i dont believe there will be a GE not unless there is a vote of no confidence but a leadership challenge looks likely.
but i do urge caution, as you may get your wish but it most likely will not be the wish you wished for ...

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Brexit: Theresa May under pressure to get DUP on side

Theresa May is under pressure to get an agreement from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) on the status of the Irish border when the UK leaves the EU.

The prime minister pulled out of a deal with Brussels that would have kick-started trade talks after meeting fierce resistance from the DUP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497

The Brexit deal seems to have found a complex obstacle - and, as everyone predicted, it’s Northern Ireland and the border with the Republic of Ireland. The border itself is a tenuous, windy thing that crosses houses, gardens, roads and who know what else. The DUP represents absolutely no constituencies that border with the Irish Republic, yet they are now calling the shots.

In a sense, I actually am forced to agree with the DUP - their reasoning that if the UK pulls out of the EU, there should be no special cases for various regions set up makes perfect sense to me. A border in the Irish Sea is, frankly, ridiculous, and divisive for the UK as a whole. It would also prompt other regions to demand special treatment. We have to adopt an “all or nothing” approach to this if the goal is to leave.

May is, however, on frankly very shaky ground now. I’ve heard, again, people speculating that there could be a General Election triggered by her inability to reach a deal (one which, should have been reached a few months ago - but our own government’s incompetence has dragged it on and on).

There is clearly no simple solution, one that the DUP will find it very hard to sell to their supporters, and one which the Tories will find very hard to sell to the rest of us.

The best option would be to accept that Brexit is a failure, apologise, and build bridges with the EU nations and remain.


the only ones making the issue complex is the EU. the UK will abide by the good Friday agreement.
and the more the waters get muddied the closer we are to a 'no deal' exit, which is my preferred option.
a no deal exit will give the UK no time limits or other restraints in any future negotiations with the EU.

but i do thank the DUP, very much so, for stopping the borders moving to the Irish sea ...

just as a ps.
i dont believe there will be a GE not unless there is a vote of no confidence but a leadership challenge looks likely.
but i do urge caution, as you may get your wish but it most likely will not be the wish you wished for ...


A no deal exit will not be a planned one, but a consequence of our government’s ineptitude. It won’t be planned, or even mitigated for, save for some sticky plaster over the cracks. Any deals we do post such a brexit will be subject to our behaviour during the brexit negotiations and the consequences of their failure. We’ll be taken advantage of left, right and centre.

Clearly, we can’t do brexit without losing any remaining dignity we may be able to cling to. It’s a mess. A car crash. A train wreck. And the incompetents can’t see it, and the brexit fans sit around with their false optimism.

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A no deal exit will not be a planned one, but a consequence of our government’s ineptitude. It won’t be planned, or even mitigated for, save for some sticky plaster over the cracks. Any deals we do post such a brexit will be subject to our behaviour during the brexit negotiations and the consequences of their failure. We’ll be taken advantage of left, right and centre.

Clearly, we can’t do brexit without losing any remaining dignity we may be able to cling to. It’s a mess. A car crash. A train wreck. And the incompetents can’t see it, and the brexit fans sit around with their false optimism.


disagree here the only option was a no deal option from the very beginning. you can only negotiate with the EU from outside. from within the EU its do as you are instructed.

there is no ineptitude only the remain camp and EU members trying by all means to derail the EU exit by fair or foul means. that will fail for the simple reason it is now showing up the EU as the undemocratic bag of garbage they so truly are.

there is only one answer to such so called indignity. leave and trade worldwide with no recourse to the EU whatsoever ...

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A no deal exit will not be a planned one, but a consequence of our government’s ineptitude. It won’t be planned, or even mitigated for, save for some sticky plaster over the cracks. Any deals we do post such a brexit will be subject to our behaviour during the brexit negotiations and the consequences of their failure. We’ll be taken advantage of left, right and centre.

Clearly, we can’t do brexit without losing any remaining dignity we may be able to cling to. It’s a mess. A car crash. A train wreck. And the incompetents can’t see it, and the brexit fans sit around with their false optimism.


disagree here the only option was a no deal option from the very beginning. you can only negotiate with the EU from outside. from within the EU its do as you are instructed.

there is no ineptitude only the remain camp and EU members trying by all means to derail the EU exit by fair or foul means. that will fail for the simple reason it is now showing up the EU as the undemocratic bag of garbage they so truly are.

there is only one answer to such so called indignity. leave and trade worldwide with no recourse to the EU whatsoever ...


How we leave the EU will surely reflect on any negotiations that we do anywhere else. If we leave badly, refuse to honour our obligations, other countries will look at that and wonder if we negotiate all deals with equally bad faith. We may get deals, but not ones that will be as equitable for us as we would like.

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How we leave the EU will surely reflect on any negotiations that we do anywhere else. If we leave badly, refuse to honour our obligations, other countries will look at that and wonder if we negotiate all deals with equally bad faith. We may get deals, but not ones that will be as equitable for us as we would like.


we have already stated we will pay the EU until the end of the EU finance period (even without any signed off EU accounts). which is beyond our leaving date.
also bear in mind the UK has been a net contributor to the EU for the entire membership period of over 40 years.

we leave a clean sheet. we leave without any blemish. we just only need to leave ...

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there is no ineptitude only the remain camp and EU members trying by all means to derail the EU exit by fair or foul means. that will fail for the simple reason it is now showing up the EU as the undemocratic bag of garbage they so truly are.

You can't seriously have typed that with a straight face. Boris and David Davis both spring to mind straight away.

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there is no ineptitude only the remain camp and EU members trying by all means to derail the EU exit by fair or foul means. that will fail for the simple reason it is now showing up the EU as the undemocratic bag of garbage they so truly are.

You can't seriously have typed that with a straight face. Boris and David Davis both spring to mind straight away.

You can't seriously have typed that expecting a cogent response?

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Did someone mention David Davis?

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Impact assessments of Brexit on the UK 'don't exist'
The government has not carried out any impact assessments of leaving the EU on the UK economy, Brexit Secretary David Davis has told MPs.

"There's no sort of systematic impact assessment," Mr Davis told the Brexit committee.

He said the government had produced a "sectoral analysis" of different industries but not a "forecast" of what would happen when the UK leaves the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42249854

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Third, Mr Davis probably didn't help his own reputation by telling the committee he had been handed two chapters of the 850 pages of analysis but hadn't read them. At times Mr Davis even chided the committee over the time they were taking.

Fair enough the Brexit secretary had a cold - but at times he sounded thoroughly frazzled and cheesed off. Not a great look.

"Frazzled and cheesed off"? I expect he’s closer to a sacking than ever before now, and he knows it.

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The Government have forfeited any right to continue with Brexit because of their continued negligence and incompetence. Shut the thing down, put on the brakes. Call the whole thing off. No deal/WTO is not an option.

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there is no ineptitude only the remain camp and EU members trying by all means to derail the EU exit by fair or foul means. that will fail for the simple reason it is now showing up the EU as the undemocratic bag of garbage they so truly are.

You can't seriously have typed that with a straight face. Boris and David Davis both spring to mind straight away.

You can't seriously have typed that expecting a cogent response?


thank you for answering the question therefore i shall refrain from giving an answer, many thanks ...

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The Government have forfeited any right to continue with Brexit because of their continued negligence and incompetence. Shut the thing down, put on the brakes. Call the whole thing off. No deal/WTO is not an option.


the Govt. only forfeit any right if voted out of power.
yes i agree shut/close/cancel any further negotiations and call off any kind of deal and leave the EU immediately.

under WTO they, the EU, will have to then negotiate a deal at our time and pace and while that is happening they, the EU, are paying us ...

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The Government have forfeited any right to continue with Brexit because of their continued negligence and incompetence. Shut the thing down, put on the brakes. Call the whole thing off. No deal/WTO is not an option.


the Govt. only forfeit any right if voted out of power.
yes i agree shut/close/cancel any further negotiations and call off any kind of deal and leave the EU immediately.

under WTO they, the EU, will have to then negotiate a deal at our time and pace and while that is happening they, the EU, are paying us ...

The Brexit gang have lost any credibility that they and their cause might have had. There are no risk assessments to tell us the likely impact of leaving. There is apparently no plan for any targets post Brexit either. They were never done. We cannot, in any sane universe, jump into the unknown without some kind of idea where we will end up.

Brexit is a failed experiment. Revoke the A50 letter, say sorry, and hope that the EU will welcome us back. This is now the only sane course of action.

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