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jonbwfc
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Yes, but they were never there. Well, some were, in the odd place or two. But the border was never 'sealed' in any sense that means anything at all. Even at the height of the troubles there were vast swathes of the border that were unsecured and unpatrolled. They basically staked out the main roads and the obvious crossing spots and that was it. There was never a wall, like between Israel and Palestine or the old Berlin segregation. There was never hundreds of miles of barbed wire and sentry posts every hundred yards. There is simply not the resources, either domestic police wise or in terms of the whole UK military, to completely secure the border in any meaningful way. We can't even secure 30 miles of roadways around Calais, let alone 300 miles of Irish border and all the relevant coastlines. It would cost tens of billions of pounds, thousands of men and years to even begin to attempt to and it would be a frankly fruitless act if we did. In all the list of utterly cloud cuckoo things Brexiters think will 'just get sorted out', the hardening of the Irish border is right up there at the top of barking-ometer.
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:18 pm |
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paulzolo
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This might be of interest then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41183041The referendum made no mention of leaving the customs union, just the EU. Part of me hopes this this is a staring contest, and at some moment, someone important will pop up and say “this won’t work, not in a million years, let’s cancel this follly before any more damage is done” and be done with it. However, that’s the fantasist in me (the one that hopes that some eccentric millionaire will give me a large bag of money like they do in the last frame of a strip in The Beano).
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Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:26 am |
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jonbwfc
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To be fair we were never going to get one without the other. Lots of people pointed that out before the vote, of course, but they were 'experts' and who needs them eh? The people running this now don't care. Literally. They just don't care. They have had smart people from pretty much every walk of life - science, religion, business... - telling them it's a suicidally stupid thing to do since before the referendum and they've carried on regardless. They're just not interested in questioning it or analysing it. They will have what they want and the consequences are irrelevant. Or, more accurately, they won't be affected in any significant way by any of the consequences so why should they worry about what they are?
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Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:01 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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_________________ Hope this helps . . . Steve ...
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:24 am |
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davrosG5
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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Yay, the ability to bugger up decades of legislation with little to no parliamentary scrutiny has been handed to the Maybots government. What could possible go wrong?
_________________ When they put teeth in your mouth, they spoiled a perfectly good bum. -Billy Connolly (to a heckler)
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:51 am |
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TheFrenchun
Officially Mrs saspro
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:55 pm Posts: 4955 Location: on the naughty step
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What will happen to all the EN standards? Will we just use the latest BS EN and stop updating? In my job we use a mix of BS, BS EN, BS EN ISO, DIN, French standards, it's going to be a mess
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:57 am |
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davrosG5
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I don't see why not. Also, one thing the Brexiteer's seem to be glossing over or failing to admit is that if we want to continue to trade with the EU after we've left anything we sell into the EU will have to meet EU standards anyway so whatever British Standards we adopt will have to be at least as good as the EU ones (with demonstrable equivalency), at least for anything we want to export to the EU. The government of the day may be willing to accept lower standards for stuff coming into the UK (farm produce from the USA springs to mind) but anything we want to export will have to meet whatever standards the importing nation or area sets. And we will have given away pretty much all of our ability to influence that standards of our nearest neighbours. The Brexit lot moan about EU rules, just wait until they get a load of what's dictated to us in order to secure all these fabulous trade deals we're going to make with the rest of the world.
_________________ When they put teeth in your mouth, they spoiled a perfectly good bum. -Billy Connolly (to a heckler)
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:03 am |
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Spreadie
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:06 pm Posts: 6355 Location: IoW
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Yeah, the pro-Brexit lot do seem to think it's possible to negotiate favourable trade deals from a position of weakness.
The irony is, they voted Leave because they hate foreigners having influence over our policies! Buckle up, numpties, it's going to get a whole lot worse.
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Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:23 am |
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jonlumb
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Yup, stupid is as stupid does.
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Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:56 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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a bit of an update on this ... the boy who punched Mr Jozwik – he is now aged 16 and can’t be named for legal reasons – was sentenced to three-and-a-half years in a young offender institution for manslaughter. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09 ... ly-misery/not all things are what you would like them to seem ... i do hope exit from the EU hurries along.
_________________ Hope this helps . . . Steve ...
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Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:01 pm |
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TheFrenchun
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Xenophobic abuse is not new, I experienced it over 10 years ago. I’ve also had people rant at me that’s i was taking their jobs ( yeah... ). I’m lucky I pass as British in day to day life. My friend who is British but looks foreign got told to [LIFTED] off home recently, that’s new but that’s what happens when xenophobia is institutionalised.
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Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:39 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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i had something similar happen to me. while driving my bus in Watford a lorry driver (English by the sound of him) who had decided to pull in front of me also decided to give me a mouthful in regard to stopping at a bus stop with parked cars in the bus stop (unable to get to the kerb). it was only when he shouted 'i should fcuk off back home', thats when i got out of my cab and gave him a mouthful in full blown London cockney. needless to say the air was very blue. he drove off very red faced. it did make me chuckle. but not everybody is xenophobic ...
_________________ Hope this helps . . . Steve ...
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Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:08 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/856878 ... -bloombergbeen stating that all along. give 90 days notice then slap WTO on the table and walk away. i have a feeling thats whats gonna happen at the end of the day and be the final result. we cant hurry out of the EU fast enough ...
_________________ Hope this helps . . . Steve ...
Nothing known travels faster than light, except bad news ... HP Pavilion 24" AiO. Ryzen7u. 32GB/1TB M2. Windows 11 Home ...
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Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:14 pm |
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paulzolo
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The problem with that is if we just go off in a strop, reneging on any agreements we made while members of the EU, how will that look to other potential trading partners? It will look as if the UK doesn’t respect agreements when it doesn’t suit them. We could lose valuable deals because of that.
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Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:44 am |
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big_D
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And many UK companies that rely on exports and services to the EU will find themselves left high and dry.
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