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Author: | pcernie [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:08 pm ] | |||||||||
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19530676 Click the link for recent cases... I'm of the opinion that we need a change or amendment of current law so that there's no ambiguity; as it stands, it's all swept under the carpet or a trip abroad regarding circumstances you wouldn't see an animal suffer. |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" |
Biggest worry is attempted suicide based on [LIFTED] circumstances, feeling down/depressed etc. There would need to be clear laws which would address the problems I've posted elsewhere. |
Author: | adidan [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:51 pm ] | |||||||||
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Have countries where assisted suicide is currently legal found to have the problems that concern you? I haven't read into it much to be honest but I do agree that you should have the right to end your life when you see fit and get help in doing so if needs be. It's not illegal to commit suicide and I don't believe that lacking the physical ability to do it yourself should hinder that right.. |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" |
Not legal? How the fudge do you prosecute someone for committing suicide? More to the point, what's stopping me or any other number of doctors from doing what Shipman did? |
Author: | bobbdobbs [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:29 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" | |||||||||
attempting suicide use to be a criminal act until the suicide act 1961 |
Author: | bobbdobbs [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:31 pm ] | |||||||||
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How do we know your not? We only have your say so and you haven't be arrested. ![]() |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:49 pm ] | |||||||||
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Making (or keeping) laws based on events which may only happen once in the lifetime of the people making them isn't the way to get to a fair and just system. Jon |
Author: | adidan [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:20 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Eh? Who said it wasn't legal? It's not illegal to attempt to commit suicide in the UK either (IIRC that is illegal in some States in the US). Confused. ![]()
That's the point, Shipman did it under the current regulations. I seriously don't believe there are a host of killer Doctors just waiting for the regulations to change. Besides, there will be checks, second opinions and, most importantly, it will be the decision of the individual not the Doctor. IMO it should be an option requested rather than being offered. |
Author: | oceanicitl [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" |
I watched Pratchet's Choosing to Die last night. It wasn't the easiest thing to watch but Pratchet is such a compasionate soul I'm glad I did. 28% of people that go to Dignitas are not ill. His reaction to this was well who's life is it anyway? There was also a lot of records of people that have contacted Dignitas but never done anything else about it. They said that knowing it's there gives them the strength to go on. Also the people choosing to die drink the poison themselves and they are given lots of chances to change their mind. The Doctor said she would never lethally inject a person. They are simply giving people that chance to die peacefully and with dignity. I found it a fascinating program & I hope that in the future we are able to have the choice in this country too. EDIT the Guardian article about Dignitas if anyone is interested Inside the Dignitas House |
Author: | Zippy [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" |
On your recommendation Caz, I watched the programme last night. It was an incredible programme and answered a lot of questions I had, made me a bit emotional, but mostly it just made me really angry that we don't get to choose. We don't even get to debate the subject of being allowed to choose. A program like Dignitas isn't the type of thing you approach lightly on a whim, it costs a lot (and almost all of the costs go toward fighting legal battles and paying for the red tape surrounding the operation) you can't just turn up and "get killed" as some have said. You have to apply, be evaluated and then you are repeatedly questioned about whether you want to go ahead with it or not. The thing I didn't know, was that the person has to take the poison (they call it a medicament) themselves. It's mixed for them by their volunteer host, but they have to pick it up from the table and drink it themselves, only when they are ready and when they have been asked a number more times whether they are sure they want to do this. I think this is an amazing thing. I have a very mild case of Parkinsons, at the moment it only shows itself in tremors and occasional rigidity issues, but it will develop as I age (or so I'm told) into the full blown disease. I don't want to live that life. I want to be able to choose the manner and time of my death, I don't want hospice care and I don't want Red to put his own life aside to care for me. That's my choice, it may not be everyone's choice, it's not right or wrong, but it's mine and I should be allowed to make it. |
Author: | oceanicitl [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" |
I'm glad you watched it. I think everyone should as a lot of people will have preconceptions about what happens. Death is part of life after all and I feel passionately that we should be able to choose a dignified end. Sorry to hear about your Parkinsons Amy. Make the most of what you can do now. I know you have a full life so enjoy it and be happy ![]() |
Author: | Zippy [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" |
It's fine, it hasn't got any worse for many years, the shakes started when I was about 15 and I'm just sort of carrying on as if it wasn't there. Denial is not just a river in Egypt ![]() |
Author: | jonlumb [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" |
Here's something I don't get, and perhaps someone better informed can enlighten me on this. At the tale end of the Pratchett program you see Peter Smedley taking the various drugs required to end his life. Right at the end, whatever it is that the drug does causes him a reasonably significant amount of distress (although thankfully this was brief). I recall from watching a program Michael Portillo did on the death penalty some while back where the fact that putting someone in at atmosphere of (I think) pure nitrogen caused them to die due to lack of oxygen, but that the effect of the nitrogen was such that they were actually in a state of euphoria. Why do they use a method that induces such distress when such an alternative is possible? |
Author: | oceanicitl [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:31 am ] | |||||||||
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The first thing that comes to mind is the person would have to be in a room in isolation. The way Dignitas does it enables the person to be in physicial contact with loved ones which I believe is really important when you die. |
Author: | John_Vella [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:38 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: "You have a right to kill yourself" | |||||||||
No, it's not, and if you believe it is I think you're probably "in Seine". Sorry, that was a very "bratty-esque" pun. I'll try not to do it again ![]() |
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