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Author:  james_g1 [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:03 pm ]
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Dinner tonight was cottage pie. Home made. Very nice, but is it really pie?

The collective wisdom is sought.

Do the poll. Results will not be sent to Melton-Mowbray for marketing purposes.
Author:  rustybucket [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:08 pm ]
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Not Pie

Quisling

Not Pie
Author:  jonbwfc [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:26 pm ]
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I'd rather have to agree. if shepherd's pie is regarded as actual pie, pretty much anything can be pie. Lasagne could technically be pie and thats just wrong. Very tastey, but not in any way pie.
A pie should be defined as some sort of filling encased in a bowl shaped receptacle made of pastry, with top made from the same pastry. Otherwise, it's just not pie. And this does mean the god awful things you get in some places which are essentially a ceramic bowl full of stew with a token piece of pastry on top are not to be referred to as pie, either.

Jon
Author:  John_Vella [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:15 pm ]
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As Bob Marley may have sung... "No pastry no pie"

;) :P :roll:
Author:  JJW009 [ Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:34 pm ]
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I wanted to vote "Pie!".

Pastry is strange. I heard it was invented as a kind of disposable wrapping to let you carry hot meat and veg around in, a bit like batter for fish or bread platters. I'm not sure you were really meant to eat it unless you were really hungry. You eat the goodness inside, then feed the wrapping to the dogs / peasants / gulls.

I made apple crumble today. It's more like apple pie than it would be with mash on top, but it's really not pie. It's nicer.
Author:  saspro [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:28 am ]
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Unless it's got pastry surrounding it it's not pie
Author:  AlunD [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:33 am ]
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james_g1 wrote:
Dinner tonight was cottage pie. Home made. Very nice, but is it really pie?


Yes its a pie although other than shepherds pie its the only one I can think of that is pastry less :?
Author:  davrosG5 [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:36 am ]
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A pie should be enclosed in pastry.
If it ain't got a lid then it's a tart not a pie.
If there is no pastry then it's some sort of tray bake.
Author:  HeatherKay [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:01 am ]
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According to that reputable online resource, Wikipedia, the term "cottage" or "shepherds'" pie is derived as follows:
Quote:
In early cookery books, the dish was a means of using leftover roasted meat of any kind, and the pie dish was lined with mashed potato as well as having a mashed potato crust on top


So it was a kind of pseudo pie for the serfs. Potato is used instead of pastry.

Omnomnom.
Author:  AlunD [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:12 am ]
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HeatherKay wrote:
According to that reputable online resource, Wikipedia, the term "cottage" or "shepherds'" pie is derived as follows:
Quote:
In early cookery books, the dish was a means of using leftover roasted meat of any kind, and the pie dish was lined with mashed potato as well as having a mashed potato crust on top


So it was a kind of pseudo pie for the serfs. Potato is used instead of pastry.

Omnomnom.


Slight clarification.

Cottage Pie = Minced Beef
Shepherds Pie= Minced Lamb.
Author:  timark_uk [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:44 pm ]
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Knavery & Swinders Digest

Mark
Author:  PaulKey [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:04 pm ]
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Fish pie or Seafood pie...... no pastry there.
Author:  AlunD [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:05 pm ]
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PaulKey wrote:
Fish pie or Seafood pie...... no pastry there.


Good point I'd forgotten about them :?
Author:  leeds_manc [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:09 pm ]
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pie (countable and uncountable; plural pies)

1. A type of pastry that consists of an outer crust and a filling.

The family had steak and kidney pie for dinner and cherry pie for dessert.

2. Extended to other, non-pastry dishes that maintain the general concept of a shell with a filling.

Shepherd's pie is made of mince covered with mashed potato.
Author:  PaulKey [ Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:42 pm ]
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Hmmmmm
I just dredged the depths of my mind and remembered from distant childhood....... mud pie !!!

Beat that :lol:
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