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When I was a child it was not uncommon that we'd be barred from part of the town because they found unexploded ammo. I remember a hot summers day when the car was full of food, they found one over 200kg, we had to go around to my aunt, put food in her fridge and wait several hours for it to be diffused. Kids frequently find them and play with them, it's a big issue.


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My dad grew up in a town outside Coventry. He said they used to unexplored ordnance and play with it. It's a wonder I'm here.

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Also : MG BGT in a local garage. Wonder if they'd do a straight swap.

Mind you, an old car like that will probably need a lot more upkeep than the current one.

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Part of me wants to leave my current job. Part of me wants to stay. Not sure what to do.


Pros and cons list?

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Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:47 pm
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I've done that in my mind.

Pros of staying:
  • easy to get to - only 10 mins; any other job would involve much more than that
  • steady job/income - I know I can work at the current rate until I retire (or the practice folds)
  • familiarity - I know the patients, the staff, the way the practice runs etc
  • my rota means I get a day off a week
  • easy to get annual leave and they're understanding about my health problems
  • compared to other practices, the workload is relatively easy. It's getting harder but it's still easily manageable. My work/life balance is much better than some of my friends.

Cons of staying:
  • income is now below market rate. I could get a 15-20% pay increase at market rate
  • I'm unlikely to make partner in this practice. Essentially dead-end.
  • I don't feel valued
  • things that annoy me aren't going to change and relate to the way staff work

If the practice had been further away, I'd look for somewhere closer to home. But it's practically on my doorstep and easy for me to pop home. It means when the missus has a day off, I can pop home to see her at lunch time before heading back. It means I can get home easily after work. But the career side of things is an issue and I really don't see myself there in another five years. I'll have been there four years already in my current role and I spent a year there as a trainee.

Things went downhill around Xmas 2013 at which point I ended up putting in a formal grievance because no one was listening. The partners didn't like this, partly because they don't know how to handle this sort of thing. The partners just want to keep things smooth and clean sailing until they retire.

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Cons of staying:
  • income is now below market rate. I could get a 15-20% pay increase at market rate
  • I'm unlikely to make partner in this practice. Essentially dead-end.
  • I don't feel valued
  • things that annoy me aren't going to change and relate to the way staff work

If the practice had been further away, I'd look for somewhere closer to home. But it's practically on my doorstep and easy for me to pop home. It means when the missus has a day off, I can pop home to see her at lunch time before heading back. It means I can get home easily after work. But the career side of things is an issue and I really don't see myself there in another five years. I'll have been there four years already in my current role and I spent a year there as a trainee.

Things went downhill around Xmas 2013 at which point I ended up putting in a formal grievance because no one was listening. The partners didn't like this, partly because they don't know how to handle this sort of thing. The partners just want to keep things smooth and clean sailing until they retire.


How much further would you be willing to travel? Would that pretty much negate any pay increase? I can only go on my own instinct with this one - if I wasn't firing the money at the mortgage I'm not sure money is that great a motivator. Oh, and I once had a job close to work, fcuking godsend compared to travelling, time and lunch costs.

What actually happens to you on becoming partner? How close are the fcukers to pissing off if it's still a good idea?

I can honestly say I've never felt valued in a job, but then management tend to be sociopaths IME. This is why they don't give a flying fcuk about problematic staff too.

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Factor cost of travel as well as lost time, it would need to be paid significantly more to be financially sound. That said, if you feel miserable going in, I would look at changing the situation, as that's not good for your health and could make you jaded with the profession.
I went from working from home back to a commuting job, but I know that I'll get the thrills again in this new job, worth the extra 20 hrs a week of work/ commute


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How much further would you be willing to travel?

When I lived with my parents, the commute to the same place was 11 miles and took 30-45 mins. It's now 5 miles but takes 10-12 mins. Instead of filling up the car every week, I'm filling up a couple of times a month.
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Would that pretty much negate any pay increase?

No. I'd still make profit.

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I can only go on my own instinct with this one - if I wasn't firing the money at the mortgage I'm not sure money is that great a motivator. Oh, and I once had a job close to work, fcuking godsend compared to travelling, time and lunch costs.

Presume you mean home. And yes that's basically what's stopping me from going. It is a huge convenience but then again I did plan to buy a house in the area with part of the objective being that it was close to work.

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What actually happens to you on becoming partner? How close are the fcukers to pissing off if it's still a good idea?

Mo' money and mo' responsibility. It would mean I'd have a lot more sway over how things are done - the very things that wind me up. Certainly one partner is leaving in two years' time but the older partner - well, I could see him being there in twenty years and he's in his 60s now. The downside of being partner is all the risk - if the practice fails, the money for it incl redundancy is the responsibility of the partners. In a climate where a lot of GPs are preferring to step down from partnership because of bureaucracy, meetings, paperwork and stress.

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I can honestly say I've never felt valued in a job, but then management tend to be sociopaths IME. This is why they don't give a flying fcuk about problematic staff too.

The thing is, I did feel valued, like I could make a difference. And that's what gave me the drive. But things have changed and I don't feel valued any more.

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Factor cost of travel as well as lost time, it would need to be paid significantly more to be financially sound.

I'd easily get 10% more and probably 20% more than I get paid now. But the work is likely to be 25-50% harder. Limited time for lunch (compared to being able to go home when I want to for lunch). In some ways, if I got a pay rise, I'd just stick it out.

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All said and done, I'd ask for a decent raise and take it from there one way or the other. See what you're willing to offer them at the same time (efficient practices, lessening their bugbears with your own), and if it works out see how you feel treated afterwards.

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TheFrenchun wrote:
When I was a child it was not uncommon that we'd be barred from part of the town because they found unexploded ammo. I remember a hot summers day when the car was full of food, they found one over 200kg, we had to go around to my aunt, put food in her fridge and wait several hours for it to be diffused. Kids frequently find them and play with them, it's a big issue.


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Here in North Germany it is still a regular ocurrence. Several times a year large parts of towns and the motorway network are sealed off, while they dispose of bombs. Last year my wife was caught on the A2 autobahn around Hannover. They found a bomb in Hannover, near the autobah, it caused over 50KM of tailbacks.

Building projects are regularly stopped, because they dig out a bomb, whilst putting in the foundations.

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If you can get an offer from another practice near-by for more money (i.e. one within reasonable travelling distance, not that you would have to move house), then it could be a big bargaining chip for a raise or partnership at your current practice.

If you are really unhappy and get stressed, then move. I was doing that, before I got fired. The situation was toxic and was getting worse.

My previous job was fine, but they filed bankruptcy and kicked half the team out, last in, first out...

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You know,. it's quite sad we have a Chancellor of The Exchequer, who in theory should be one of the smartest people available to us, and this one only has two things he can think of doing to resolve any economic situation, both of which actually make life worse for the majority of people in the country.


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You know,. it's quite sad we have a Chancellor of The Exchequer, who in theory should be one of the smartest people available to us, and this one only has two things he can think of doing to resolve any economic situation, both of which actually make life worse for the majority of people in the country.


Would you, by any chance, be referring to his announcement that he's going to cut Corporation Tax to 15%? When I heard that I was wondering how the heck he was planning to pay for that one but I'm pretty sure I can guess who'll be getting it in the neck (and it won't be his good buddies in the CIty).

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Yes, than would be it. As far as I can tell he thinks he can operate the economy with two levers, one of which is labelled 'cut corporation tax' and the other one is labelled 'cut public services budgets' . Like it's some kind of world war one tank.


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If he reduces corporation tax then people are less likely to go to the measures they currently do to avoid or reduce it therefore increasing revenue.
It also makes the UK more favourable as a location for business and helps out smaller companies.

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