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If the marketing works, then it could outsell the smaller Air. Anyone know how many that's sold?

Millions but personally I would want an MBAir over a Surface Pro.

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If the marketing works, then it could outsell the smaller Air. Anyone know how many that's sold?

Millions but personally I would want an MBAir over a Surface Pro.

Most business environments require a pro version of Windows for the corporate software to work. You're not one of the people at that meeting in the advert ;)

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If the marketing works, then it could outsell the smaller Air. Anyone know how many that's sold?

Millions but personally I would want an MBAir over a Surface Pro.

Most business environments require a pro version of Windows for the corporate software to work. You're not one of the people at that meeting in the advert ;)

There's always that, true. never trust the marketing. However I'm not sure business environments rely entirely on windows native LoB apps any more. A few places I've visited have been in the process of transitioning to web apps or similar or have pretty much done so. Which should in theory be pretty platform agnostic. You've always got the need for 'office' apps but that's less vested than it was too.

I don't argue a windows laptop of some sort is still the most appropriate thing for most managers/execs to carry but I'm not sure that will remain true for very much longer. BYOD seems to be creeping in from the edges...


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A few places I've visited have been in the process of transitioning to web apps or similar or have pretty much done so. Which should in theory be pretty platform agnostic.

I remember arguing a very long time ago that a web interface was a preferred solution for many business problems. I was hit with a lot of resistance, because devs just didn't trust browsers to deliver a reliable and responsive and consistent environment. It was true at the time.

Thankfully, HTML 5 and more compliant modern browsers have mostly addressed the issues. Most business apps do not need native performance, now your average browser is dozens of times faster than it was in the days of IE4. Thankfully I am not using ActiveX solutions any more!

However, we're stuck with a package where the so called latest version would look at home on 3.11 and there's no better solution. It erks me somewhat, but no one here is getting a Mac and many established businesses are in the same boat.

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If the marketing works, then it could outsell the smaller Air. Anyone know how many that's sold?

Millions but personally I would want an MBAir over a Surface Pro.

Most business environments require a pro version of Windows for the corporate software to work. You're not one of the people at that meeting in the advert ;)

I appreciate that. I just think that the market for the MBA and the Surface Pro are two separate niches. There will be little over lap between them. I think that the tablet market is also very distinct and there will be little overlap between them. Though what could have been done before on a laptop only can now be done on tablets and so there is a serious amount of cannibalism of laptop sales by tablets.

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http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/tablets/3470100/surface-2-release-date-price-specs/?cmpid=HTML-DN230913&olo=daily%20news

If that's correct, the Surface is about to fail all over again. The consumer doesn't see or care about software, licensing, patents etc, all they know is it's a tablet that's way more expensive than it's rivals. The keyboard coupled with the slightly larger than normal tablet screen would be a winner if they could get over themselves and look at the bigger picture. Sold right it could potentially kill off laptops for many, and help take away 8's stigma.

But you have the same or more powerful hardware as the MacBook Air, but people don't complain that that is more expensive than an iPad... :? The Surface Pro is literally that, a tablet for professionals. The only way to sink the price further would be to use an Atom processor.

For the Surface 2 (RT), it is priced reasonably, it is a bit cheaper than the iPad, but includes full Office 2013 support, something which Apple has reacted to by including iWorks on new iPads.

I still wouldn't buy a Surface 2, the Surface 2 Pro is on my list though. I still don't see what an ARM processor brings to the mix, it is slower than the Atom tablets, doesn't offer any advantage in battery life (compared to Atom based tablets) and it doesn't allow you to run legacy software. It only offers about a 50 Euro price saving over the equivalent Atom versions, although the Atom versions usually have double the storage and WACOM or similar digitizer technology.


It's the perception of it for the average consumer though; all they see is a tablet, so why not make a song and dance about the keyboard and specs? Anything to differentiate from other tablets if you're obviously looking to get into a saturated market. There also isn't a happy medium in terms of 'all your legacy stuff will work here', I believe :|

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The first is the Surface 2, which is an update of the Surface RT. It features Windows RT 8.1, a 1080p display, a 25 per cent increased battery life and a Tegra 4 processor with 72 graphics cores.

The premium alternative is the Surface Pro 2, which replaces the Surface Pro and includes a fully-featured version of Windows 8.1 Pro. it also offers a 20 per cent performance improvement over the original Pro, with a 4th-gen Intel Core i5 processor providing twice the graphical power. The battery also lasts 75 per cent longer.

The prices of each configuration are as follows (further US prices to be confirmed):

Surface 2
32GB - £359 / $449
64GB - £439

Surface Pro 2
4GB RAM, 64GB - £719 / $899
4GB RAM, 128GB - £799
8GB RAM, 256GB - £1039
8GB RAM, 512GB - £1439 / $1799

Microsoft has confirmed that both the Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 will release in both the US and UK on October 22. It has yet to be confirmed if this date applies for the rest of Europe.


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With the Surface 2, is the price difference purely down to the drive space? :?

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Amazon Cloud Player heads to Sonos systems

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New iMacs outed - packing Haswell chips and faster Fusion Drive

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing ... ve-1183579

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New iMacs outed - packing Haswell chips and faster Fusion Drive

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing ... ve-1183579

3Tb Fusion drive and 32 Gb RAM sounds inviting.

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My next laptop will probably be in the new year if Intel incrementally update Haswell, or even if they don't. The two issues are whether or not I really need a 15.6 screen (thinking of trying 14) and an optical drive... I do still burn MP3 discs every so often.

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A few places I've visited have been in the process of transitioning to web apps or similar or have pretty much done so. Which should in theory be pretty platform agnostic.

I remember arguing a very long time ago that a web interface was a preferred solution for many business problems. I was hit with a lot of resistance, because devs just didn't trust browsers to deliver a reliable and responsive and consistent environment. It was true at the time.

Thankfully, HTML 5 and more compliant modern browsers have mostly addressed the issues. Most business apps do not need native performance, now your average browser is dozens of times faster than it was in the days of IE4. Thankfully I am not using ActiveX solutions any more!

However, we're stuck with a package where the so called latest version would look at home on 3.11 and there's no better solution. It erks me somewhat, but no one here is getting a Mac and many established businesses are in the same boat.

We have a Siemens telephone system and building access system. The latter had to be coerced to work in Windows 7 32 bit - we couldn't install it on our normal PCs or the terminal server, because it only runs on 32 bit Windows and only with XP settings under Windows 7. This is for a product that was purchased 3 years after MS stopped selling XP!

The telephone system using the Access database engine for part of its CTI solution and that managed to trash out terminal server - we had 32 bit Office 2010 installed, it overwrite some of the installation with 64 bit DLLs, rendering the Office installation useless. We couldn't install the 32 bit version of the dB engine, because the OS was 64 bit, even though MS recommend users install the 32 bit version of office on 64 bit platforms.

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We have a Siemens telephone system and building access system. The latter had to be coerced to work in Windows 7 32 bit - we couldn't install it on our normal PCs or the terminal server, because it only runs on 32 bit Windows and only with XP settings under Windows 7. This is for a product that was purchased 3 years after MS stopped selling XP!
The telephone system using the Access database engine for part of its CTI solution and that managed to trash out terminal server - we had 32 bit Office 2010 installed, it overwrite some of the installation with 64 bit DLLs, rendering the Office installation useless. We couldn't install the 32 bit version of the dB engine, because the OS was 64 bit, even though MS recommend users install the 32 bit version of office on 64 bit platforms.

This kind of stuff is exactly why businesses are trying to do as much as possible with 'thin interfaces' like web apps. There's obviously stuff you can't do - anything that needs serious low level access to hardware obviously - but who wants to spend their whole life in DLLhell these days? And who in their right mind would want to explain that kind of stuff to people in, god knows, HR or whatever.


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The problem is, with these sorts of system, you don't have much choice, although we are looking at a pure cloud based telephone system.

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The problem is, with these sorts of system, you don't have much choice, although we are looking at a pure cloud based telephone system.

Even after the latest NSA revelations? I can see the potential benefits but will it be secure?


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The problem is, with these sorts of system, you don't have much choice, although we are looking at a pure cloud based telephone system.

Even after the latest NSA revelations? I can see the potential benefits but will it be secure?


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It is a German based cloud service. Also, telephone communications are less secure than internet communications anyway.

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