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Would that be the excuse for all those that die in police custody?


Think about it rowers do not face the direction of travel they are 6'6" of muscle pulling as hard and fast as they can, the the probability is that you would be hit by one of those blades before the person pulling it know you are there is pretty good.

The chances of survival at that point is not good. So I think my statement of suicide by rower is pretty accurate and I have rowed the head of the river race.

At that point he would not have been in custody :roll:

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Think about it rowers do not face the direction of travel they are 6'6" of muscle pulling as hard and fast as they can, the the probability is that you would be hit by one of those blades before the person pulling it know you are there is pretty good.

The chances of survival at that point is not good. So I think my statement of suicide by rower is pretty accurate and I have rowed the head of the river race.


I agree - its no different to if he had jumped in front of a car at a race - I'm sure a driver will do the best to miss him but it would basically be suicide

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Amnesia10 wrote:
Would that be the excuse for all those that die in police custody?


Think about it rowers do not face the direction of travel they are 6'6" of muscle pulling as hard and fast as they can, the the probability is that you would be hit by one of those blades before the person pulling it know you are there is pretty good.

The chances of survival at that point is not good. So I think my statement of suicide by rower is pretty accurate and I have rowed the head of the river race.

At that point he would not have been in custody :roll:

You forget about the cox. It will initially be treated as manslaughter, but probably be downgraded to death by misadventure, definitely not suicide.

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Back to your original point
Amnesia10 wrote:
Would that be the excuse for all those that die in police custody?
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At that point he would not have been in custody :roll:

Amnesia10 wrote:
You forget about the cox.
You mean the one person who hasn't got an oar?

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Back to your original point
Amnesia10 wrote:
Would that be the excuse for all those that die in police custody?
and my response
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At that point he would not have been in custody :roll:

Amnesia10 wrote:
You forget about the cox.
You mean the one person who hasn't got an oar?

Yes but dozens die in police custody every year so are they suicides as well? ;)

While he was not in custody it would have been treated as the same as any death cause by a vehicle. If as a motorist you were to hit someone and killed them it would start in the investigation process as manslaughter even if the driver could do nothing to avoid the accident. If it were clear that the driver was not responsible it could be downgraded to speeding or driving without due care and attention or reckless driving if the car was speeding. If you were driving within speed limits it could be dropped all together.

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Yes but dozens die in police custody every year so are they suicides as well? ;)

So? :roll: Sorry but what is the relevance?

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While he was not in custody it would have been treated as the same as any death cause by a vehicle. If as a motorist you were to hit someone and killed them it would start in the investigation process as manslaughter even if the driver could do nothing to avoid the accident. If it were clear that the driver was not responsible it could be downgraded to speeding or driving without due care and attention or reckless driving if the car was speeding. If you were driving within speed limits it could be dropped all together.


Rowing boats are not treated the same as cars in terms of regulations.
It was a race during which speed restrictions are lifted on the tideway.
Neither the cox nor oarsmen have to pass driving tests for the boat.

Sorry and I'm not disagreeing with what you say about cars and accidents, I'm not an expert so I don't don't know, but your comparison between rowing eights and cars is but valid IMHO.

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Yes but dozens die in police custody every year so are they suicides as well? ;)

So? :roll: Sorry but what is the relevance?

People dying in places that they shouldn't at the hands of others.

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Good. Foreign law breakers should be booted out. He was very selfish.

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