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Author: | pcernie [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:37 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe | |||||||||
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/358378/jobs ... with-adobe Maybe it's just me, but if he didn't want a 'war' all he had to do was keep his mouth shut, unless Adobe went beyond their usual discussions with each other ![]() |
Author: | timark_uk [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:48 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe | |||||||||
When he first spoke about the reasons why Flash wasn't allowed I certainly never expected a retaliatory response from Adobe. Perhaps he also didn't. *shrug* Either way, if Adobe releases a more reliable/less resource hungry version of Flash that Apple is happy with then there'd be no reason for Apple to hold off on it's inclusion in future revisions of it's products. Mark |
Author: | EddArmitage [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:12 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe | |||||||||
There'd still be the fact that Flash "apps" don't have to conform to the Apple HIGs and so could have a very different look and feel to all other apps from the app-store, and that performance will be inferior to a native app by virtue of Flash having to be run through an interpreter. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe |
Yes but is Flash an absolute must have on the iPhone? Not as far as I am concerned. |
Author: | bobbdobbs [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe |
Jobs didn't want flash on the iphone/touch now iPad because it would interfere with the revenue from the appstore. The argument about "quality" etc is just a smokescreen IMHO If apps made by Adobe software are that bad the public would vote for the higher "quality" "official" apps. Apple gives you freedom from making a choice and so far they have had their way. |
Author: | EddArmitage [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:58 pm ] | |||||||||
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It's not just the actual flash interpreter that is "bad". It's the apps the end users make using Flash that don't have to be vetted. |
Author: | bobbdobbs [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:04 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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I thought and I may be wrong, that Apple banned the use of third party software to create apps that are then submitted to the store? either way the control that Apple exert over there mobile products is outstandingly despotic and about as transparent as mud. |
Author: | EddArmitage [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:07 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe | |||||||||
Yup. All apps have to be written in native Cocoa-touch. If they allowed flash people could embed flash-apps into websites, or have an entire flash-based website-app-thing, running through the flash interpretter installed as part of iPhone OS. I can't see it happening. |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:15 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe | |||||||||
Apps developed in Flash (as in the system previewed then dropped from CS5) would have exactly the same revenue model on the app store as native apps. There'd literally be no difference at all. If you mean apps could be fed in via the web/safari, they aren't stopping people doing that via HTML5 which can do pretty much everything Flash can, just there are less people around who know how to work it properly. So in other words, that's absolutely not the reason. |
Author: | petermillard [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe |
Surely it's just a smart business decision not to let another company's proprietary software have fundamental control over core features (video, games) of your product? The fact that Flash is bloated & buggy on desktop systems and largely unproven on mobile platforms doesn't exactly inspire confidence either, and certainly makes it easier to put your business decision in a more user-oriented context e.g. "if we allowed Flash on the iPhone and the battery ran flat and 3 hours, who do you think the user would blame..." etc... What if Adobe stopped developing Flash a few years down the line, or what if they were bought? Sounds far-fetched? This from Daring Fireball a little while back (linky ):- "Google Buys VOIP Engine Behind Yahoo, AOL, WebEx, Lotus Conferencing Larry Dignan, ZDNet: Google on Tuesday said it will acquire Global IP Solutions Holding, which makes processing software for voice and video over IP, for $68.2 million. The deal means that Google will own the voice and video conferencing engine behind its competitors’ instant messaging systems." If Apple allowed Flash on the iPhone and it ended up in the hands of Google, it would not be a comfortable place to be. Pete |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Jobs: we didn't want a war with Adobe |
The fact that Flash is the primary route to take over computers is probably a much bigger factor. The whole proprietary argument is a bit weak, but why mention it when security is such an open goal as far as reasons to block its use? |
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