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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:37 pm ]
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Apple boss Steve Jobs has played down his company's public rift with Flash maker Adobe.

Hostility between Apple and Adobe has been brewing for months, after the iPhone maker effectively banned apps created in Flash from its mobile devices. The flames were fanned when Jobs himself published an open letter, criticising Flash as a buggy battery hog, while Adobe has accused Apple of exerting tyrannical control over developers creating programs for the iPhone and iPad.

We didn't start off to have a war with Flash or anything else

Speaking at the All Things Digital conference in California, Jobs took a less aggressive stance towards Adobe. "We didn't start off to have a war with Flash or anything else," he said. "We just made a technical decision."

Jobs was speaking just a week after Apple overtook long-time nemesis Microsoft to become the world's largest technology company by market value - an event unthinkable a decade ago.

"For those of us that have been in the industry a long time, it's surreal. But it doesn't matter very much, it's not what's important," Jobs said. "It's not what makes you come to work every morning."

iPhone - the movie

Apple is widely expected to unveil its latest iPhone next Monday, when Jobs delivers his keynote address at its developers conference in San Francisco.

Consumers may already have gotten a sneak peak of the next iPhone after a prototype, famously lost by an Apple employee at a bar earlier this year, was purchased and displayed online by a technology blog.

Jobs said there was debate about whether the phone was simply picked up after being left at the bar, or actually stolen out of the employee's bag. "This is a story that's amazing," Jobs said. "It's got theft. It's got buying stolen property. It's got extortion. I'm sure there's sex in there somewhere. Somebody should make a movie out of this."


http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/358378/jobs ... with-adobe

Maybe it's just me, but if he didn't want a 'war' all he had to do was keep his mouth shut, unless Adobe went beyond their usual discussions with each other :?

Author:  timark_uk [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:48 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
if he didn't want a 'war' all he had to do was keep his mouth shut,
Apple's come in for a lot of criticism for not having Flash on it's iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad and perhaps Steve just thought that letting people know about why the stance was taken would help.
When he first spoke about the reasons why Flash wasn't allowed I certainly never expected a retaliatory response from Adobe. Perhaps he also didn't. *shrug*
Either way, if Adobe releases a more reliable/less resource hungry version of Flash that Apple is happy with then there'd be no reason for Apple to hold off on it's inclusion in future revisions of it's products.

Mark

Author:  EddArmitage [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:12 pm ]
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timark_uk wrote:
Either way, if Adobe releases a more reliable/less resource hungry version of Flash that Apple is happy with then there'd be no reason for Apple to hold off on it's inclusion in future revisions of it's products.

There'd still be the fact that Flash "apps" don't have to conform to the Apple HIGs and so could have a very different look and feel to all other apps from the app-store, and that performance will be inferior to a native app by virtue of Flash having to be run through an interpreter.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:22 pm ]
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Yes but is Flash an absolute must have on the iPhone? Not as far as I am concerned.

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:39 pm ]
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Jobs didn't want flash on the iphone/touch now iPad because it would interfere with the revenue from the appstore. The argument about "quality" etc is just a smokescreen IMHO If apps made by Adobe software are that bad the public would vote for the higher "quality" "official" apps.

Apple gives you freedom from making a choice

and so far they have had their way.

Author:  EddArmitage [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:58 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
The argument about "quality" etc is just a smokescreen IMHO If apps made by Adobe software are that bad the public would vote for the higher "quality" "official" apps.

It's not just the actual flash interpreter that is "bad". It's the apps the end users make using Flash that don't have to be vetted.

Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:04 pm ]
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EddArmitage wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
The argument about "quality" etc is just a smokescreen IMHO If apps made by Adobe software are that bad the public would vote for the higher "quality" "official" apps.

It's not just the actual flash interpreter that is "bad". It's the apps the end users make using Flash that don't have to be vetted.

I thought and I may be wrong, that Apple banned the use of third party software to create apps that are then submitted to the store?
either way the control that Apple exert over there mobile products is outstandingly despotic and about as transparent as mud.

Author:  EddArmitage [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:07 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
I thought and I may be wrong, that Apple banned the use of third party software to create apps that are then submitted to the store?

Yup. All apps have to be written in native Cocoa-touch. If they allowed flash people could embed flash-apps into websites, or have an entire flash-based website-app-thing, running through the flash interpretter installed as part of iPhone OS. I can't see it happening.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:15 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
Jobs didn't want flash on the iphone/touch now iPad because it would interfere with the revenue from the appstore.

Apps developed in Flash (as in the system previewed then dropped from CS5) would have exactly the same revenue model on the app store as native apps. There'd literally be no difference at all. If you mean apps could be fed in via the web/safari, they aren't stopping people doing that via HTML5 which can do pretty much everything Flash can, just there are less people around who know how to work it properly.
So in other words, that's absolutely not the reason.

Author:  petermillard [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:43 pm ]
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Surely it's just a smart business decision not to let another company's proprietary software have fundamental control over core features (video, games) of your product? The fact that Flash is bloated & buggy on desktop systems and largely unproven on mobile platforms doesn't exactly inspire confidence either, and certainly makes it easier to put your business decision in a more user-oriented context e.g. "if we allowed Flash on the iPhone and the battery ran flat and 3 hours, who do you think the user would blame..." etc...

What if Adobe stopped developing Flash a few years down the line, or what if they were bought? Sounds far-fetched? This from Daring Fireball a little while back (linky ):-

"Google Buys VOIP Engine Behind Yahoo, AOL, WebEx, Lotus Conferencing
Larry Dignan, ZDNet:
Google on Tuesday said it will acquire Global IP Solutions Holding, which makes processing software for voice and video over IP, for $68.2 million. The deal means that Google will own the voice and video conferencing engine behind its competitors’ instant messaging systems."

If Apple allowed Flash on the iPhone and it ended up in the hands of Google, it would not be a comfortable place to be.

Pete

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:45 pm ]
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The fact that Flash is the primary route to take over computers is probably a much bigger factor. The whole proprietary argument is a bit weak, but why mention it when security is such an open goal as far as reasons to block its use?

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