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Author:  pcernie [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:53 pm ]
Post subject:  In Pictures: PlayStation Move motion controllers

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Ever since Sony unveiled its motion controller at E3, the world has been waiting to see what the final incarnation of the product would be – and the company has finally shown off the product at the Games Developers Conference.

Now called the PlayStation Move and complete with a sub-controller (basically a nunchuck), Sony's motion controller will take on both Nintendo's well established Wii and the forthcoming Xbox Natal.

"The combination of the PS3 system and PlayStation Eye camera detects the precise movement, angle, and absolute position in 3D space of PlayStation Move motion controller, allowing users to intuitively play the game as if they themselves are within the game," explains Sony.

"PlayStation Move motion controller delivers unmatched accuracy through its advanced motion sensors, including a three-axis gyroscope, a three-axis accelerometer, and a terrestrial magnetic field sensor, as well as a color-changing sphere that is tracked by PlayStation Eye camera.

"Through PlayStation Move system, both fast and subtle motion can be detected, whether the user is swinging a tennis racket, or painting with a brush.

"With PlayStation Move motion controller, users can provide direct input through action buttons and an analogue trigger, while receiving physical feedback from rumble functionality and visual feedback from the sphere's ability to display a variety of different colours.

"Furthermore, PlayStation Eye camera can capture the player's voice or image, enabling augmented reality experiences."

But more importantly - what does it look like. Here are the official product shots of the Sony PlayStation Move.


Apparently Ann Summers are claiming 'prior art' ;)

More details (games demoed etc) here:

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/co ... ers-676120

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/pl ... led-676104

Author:  big_D [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:30 pm ]
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Hmm, I saw something like that in Novum, the local sex shop, when I went in there with my girlfriend... :oops:

Author:  pcernie [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:38 pm ]
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big_D wrote:
Hmm, I saw something like that in Novum, the local sex shop, when I went in there with my girlfriend... :oops:


Bet you wish you'd photographed it. The controller-looking thing I mean :lol: ;)

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:18 am ]
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^^^Maybe that's where the designers went?

Author:  veato [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:30 am ]
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1) wtf is the ping pong ball for?
2) are nintendo asking for their design back (minus the ping pong ball)?

Author:  pcernie [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:02 am ]
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veato wrote:
1) wtf is the ping pong ball for?
2) are nintendo asking for their design back (minus the ping pong ball)?


The vids of people using it are horrific :oops:

Author:  jonbwfc [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:02 am ]
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veato wrote:
1) wtf is the ping pong ball for?

It's a light emitter. You can actually change the colour it glows to ensure best contrast against the surroundings. The point is the thing actually works in the reverse way to the Wii controller.

OK,. with the Wii you have a 'bar' that sits underneath your telly. At each end of that bar are infra-red emitters. They are a known distance apart, since Nintendo made the bar. The Wiimote contains an infra-red sensor in the tip. That uses the fact that the two sources are a known distance apart to triangulate the remote's position compared to the bar, and which angle its facing and etc. This is actually fairly crude as these things go and has the drawback that it doesn't work properly unless the Wiimote can see both bars. However it's very computationally light, which allows the Wii to be relatively low powered in CPU terms and therefore cheap.

With the PS3 system, there is a USB camera connected to the PS3. The PS3 uses this to is spot the ping pong ball thing and tracks it to get movement information. This is combined with mercury switch angle sensors and (basically) a very sensitive compass to get 'attitude' which is transmitted to the PS3 as well, all of which gets combined within the PS3. Doing the 'orb spotting' and combining all the data points is much more computationally costly but the Ps3 has a lot more grunt than the Wii in the first place.

The net result is the PS3 system is a lot more expensive to implement - you need a camera, plus the controllers themselves aren't going to cost 20 quid - and looks a bit ungainly but it's actually much more accurate in terms of tracking the location and position of the controller. You'll be able to do things with the PS3 Move that you simply can't do with a Wiimote, even with the motion plus attachment.

Course, it's entirely up to the people making games to take advantage of the higher resolution. It could still be shedloads of minigames ahoy.

veato wrote:
2) are nintendo asking for their design back (minus the ping pong ball)?

Maybe they can complain about the design, although given the PS3 wand has an enormous knob on the end they can't really claim cosmetic similarity. PLus there are only so many ways you can design a remote control - Sony can't sue Panasonic because they both make TV remotes that are bars with buttons on them. They also can't complain about the basic idea of having a control you wave around though; even if you could protect something that vague (which you might be able to in America but not in any country with a sane patent system) given the PS3 system uses a different fundamental mechanic there isn't any real patent conflict in that respect.

Basically, on a subjective level we can all see that Sony have more or less copied the Wiimote both in principle and rough functionality but in a sound legal sense I don't really think they'd have a case worth pursuing.

Jon

Author:  veato [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:14 am ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
veato wrote:
2) are nintendo asking for their design back (minus the ping pong ball)?

Maybe they can complain about the design, although given the PS3 wand has an enormous knob on the end they can't really claim cosmetic similarity. PLus there are only so many ways you can design a remote control - Sony can't sue Panasonic because they both make TV remotes that are bars with buttons on them.

Jon


Just to be clear it was a lighthearted comment in for the most part, but thanks for jumping to Sony's defence. Looking at it though (1 remote type controller with trigger with an other second controller with analogue stick, etc) it is very similar IMO. It works differently yes but paint it white and pop off the ball and it looks like Wii controllers with more buttons.

Author:  jonbwfc [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:29 am ]
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veato wrote:
Just to be clear it was a lighthearted comment in for the most part, but thanks for jumping to Sony's defence. Looking at it though (1 remote type controller with trigger with an other second controller with analogue stick, etc) it is very similar IMO. It works differently yes but paint it white and pop off the ball and it looks like Wii controllers with more buttons.

Oh I wasn't defending them in any real way, I think it's patently obvious that, at least in user interface terms,they've ripped Nintendo off blind. I was just pointing out that, in the different world that the legal profession inhabits, it would actually be quite hard to prove that, as oppose to the argument that it's simply obvious that that's how you'd do it. In this case Nintendo have every right to bitch, I just think that there's not really anything they can do about it.

Jon

Author:  veato [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:34 am ]
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Can you imagine a room full of Nintendo execs looking at this thing around a meeting table going "wtf" :lol:

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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:45 pm ]
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Well with a motion controller a Star Wars game would probably sell incredibly well on the PS3 now that it could emulate a light sabre.

Author:  paulzolo [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:34 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Well with a motion controller a Star Wars game would probably sell incredibly well on the PS3 now that it could emulate a light sabre.


That’s not really a light sabre. Unless you are a very poorly endowed Jedi.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:31 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Well with a motion controller a Star Wars game would probably sell incredibly well on the PS3 now that it could emulate a light sabre.


That’s not really a light sabre. Unless you are a very poorly endowed Jedi.

Yes but for those without a light sabre it could aid training. :D

Author:  Fogmeister [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:36 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Well with a motion controller a Star Wars game would probably sell incredibly well on the PS3 now that it could emulate a light sabre.


That’s not really a light sabre. Unless you are a very poorly endowed Jedi.

Yes but for those without a light sabre it could aid training. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU

This guy could definitely do with some of that.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:46 pm ]
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I think that he is still living that video down after all these years. :oops:

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