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Author:  pcernie [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Cameron 'working for Euro vote'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8289535.stm

Go on, 'Dave'! ;)
Author:  Linux_User [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Cameron 'working for Euro vote'
The Lisbon Treaty will be long ratified by the time Cameron comes to power.

Leaving the heart of Europe will only end badly for the United Kingdom. Do we really want to risk being left on the back burner, or worse, being kicked out on our collective arses?
Author:  pcernie [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:08 pm ]
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No matter what anyone's personal opinion on the treaty, the 'let's have another go at this voting thing' doesn't inspire confidence in the project :lol:
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:45 am ]
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Linux_User wrote:
The Lisbon Treaty will be long ratified by the time Cameron comes to power.

Leaving the heart of Europe will only end badly for the United Kingdom. Do we really want to risk being left on the back burner, or worse, being kicked out on our collective arses?

The last thing they want is to kick out a major contributer to the amzingly badly run finances :lol:
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:05 am ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
The Lisbon Treaty will be long ratified by the time Cameron comes to power.

Leaving the heart of Europe will only end badly for the United Kingdom. Do we really want to risk being left on the back burner, or worse, being kicked out on our collective arses?

The last thing they want is to kick out a major contributer to the amzingly badly run finances :lol:



If you actually look into the funding issues and why the accounts don't get signed off, you'll generally find it's not the EU to blame per se, but rather it's the fault of Member States and how they spend (and importantly, how they record what they've spent) EU grants.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:20 am ]
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Linux_User wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
The Lisbon Treaty will be long ratified by the time Cameron comes to power.

Leaving the heart of Europe will only end badly for the United Kingdom. Do we really want to risk being left on the back burner, or worse, being kicked out on our collective arses?

The last thing they want is to kick out a major contributer to the amzingly badly run finances :lol:



If you actually look into the funding issues and why the accounts don't get signed off, you'll generally find it's not the EU to blame per se, but rather it's the fault of Member States and how they spend (and importantly, how they record what they've spent) EU grants.


and yet they still give more and more money to the member states even though they are not recording how and for what its spent? Ahhh the good old piss poor management process. Move around all responsibility until it becomes no ones responsibility and then when some one challenges the accounting and funding process. Persecute them out of a job
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:31 am ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
and yet they still give more and more money to the member states even though they are not recording how and for what its spent? Ahhh the good old piss poor management process. Move around all responsibility until it becomes no ones responsibility and then when some one challenges the accounting and funding process. Persecute them out of a job


I recommend you read the auditing reports.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:44 am ]
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accounts 2007
From the staement of assurance

A.
Quote:
In ‘Agriculture and natural resources’, the Court found that the transactions underlying the expenditure declared for this
policy group, taken as a whole, are affected by a material level of error of legality and/or regularity


Quote:
The Court concludes on the basis of its audit work that the supervisory system of
the Commission and the control systems of the Member States are generally only partially effective in preventing overstated
or ineligible expenditure.


Quote:
The Court concludes on the basis of its audit work that, despite some improvements, the
Commission’s supervisory and control systems are only partially effective in mitigating the risk of reimbursement of overstated
or ineligible costs.


Quote:
In ‘External aid, development and enlargement’, the Court found that transactions underlying the expenditure in the policy
group are affected by a material level of error of legality and/or regularity...despite the improvements at the level of the Commission, the supervisory
and control systems are only partially effective in providing assurance that expenditure is eligible and supported by
adequate evidence.



Quote:
In ‘Education and citizenship’, the Court found that payments for the policy group are affected by a material level of error of
legality and/or regularity. The Court concludes on the basis of its audit work that the supervisory and control systems are
only partially effective in providing assurance that expenditure is eligible and supported by adequate evidence.


there appear to be some problems.
Author:  ethelredalready [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:20 pm ]
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More soundbites from the "Policy Free" vacuum that is David Cameron!
His problem is that many in his party hate the EU with a vengance. He and Jimmy Clithero's stupid younger brother (Haig) have banged-on about Labour's "broken referendum promise" for ages, now they might have to actually do something, bricks are being excreted.

Far worse than any of this (they'll be let off the hook, believe me) is the Tory plan for sacking "incompetent" teachers and replacing them with "graduates" straight from college. Oh and they want to "de-centralise" Education funding and policy by giving it direct to schools. I worked in Education in the late 1980's when they devolved funding to schools 1st time around (LMS) and introduced Ofsted, and the National Curriculum. De-centralisation PAH! The old motto "divide & conquer" is true. OK so schools get to decide how much to pay teachers and wheteher to buy hard or soft bogroll, but its all pretty minor stuff compared to deciding the TOTAL spend and how that's divided (Tax-payer-funded private schools anyone?).
Author:  adidan [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:28 pm ]
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Cameron is vacuous, there is nothing substantial to any of his ideas (I won't go so far as to call them policies).

Aside from that, his party is in a happy EU bed with some right wing parties that means I will not be voting for him.

Great, the 2 major parties seem to be as lame as each other. I'll have to look for this elusive "third way"...

You have to hand it to Blair though, taking the referendum off the table when he was PM and now it looks like he will be the EU President, whatever that means as there is nothing iron clad about what that position does or does not have the power to do.
Author:  gavomatic57 [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:10 pm ]
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adidan wrote:
Cameron is vacuous


I think that is a bit of a complement for him. He's just scum.
Author:  adidan [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:18 pm ]
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gavomatic57 wrote:
adidan wrote:
Cameron is vacuous


I think that is a bit of a complement for him. He's just scum.

Aye, but then that may imply that some MPs aren't. :D
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