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Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:12 pm ] | |||||||||
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its a start ... but then track down via the accounts the people paying, housing, homing, employing, aiding, abetting and giving sufferance to the illegals and if/when convicted impose unlimited fines and enforced removal of all funds and properties, if they themselves are not born here complete removal of them and there families along with the illegals ... ***** MOD note***** Sources for the original quote please. It's not "news" if there's no source cited, it just looks like a rather racist rant edit https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/90361 ... Government https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... immigrants https://www.ft.com/content/340843cc-9f5 ... 5a475ba4c5 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41357048 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rants.html http://www.cityam.com/272518/new-govern ... k-accounts http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01 ... -accounts/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 60771.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5322305/b ... mmigrants/ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bank ... -277wcjw5w http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/g ... e-11217741 |
Author: | big_D [ Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: good, a start on illegals ... |
Just wait until they mix up your account with MrStevenRogers from the Dominican Republic and close your account by accident... I don't think this is the way to do it. Give the banks High Court orders, fine. A secret list? No. How do we know the ministers have done due dilligence? Can we be sure they have made no mistakes? Where is the oversight? |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:25 pm ] | |||||||||
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if it get rids of illegals no problem, i dont care how draconian it gets. i dont care how harsh the laws are even if it affects me (as me and mine are legal) as long as it hits the illegals and anyone aiding/abetting them. bring it on and then some ... full ID cards for all UK citizens and legal residents. no ID card you have no access to anything and are entitled to nothing. easier to pick them up this way. but we can only do this when we leave that piece of garbage called the EU. happy days are ahead ... |
Author: | big_D [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:01 am ] |
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Why can you only do this, once you leave the EU? ID cards are required in many EU lands. It has always been UK citizens that were against an ID card. I was all for it, back at the end of the 90s and the beginning of the 2000s, but the majority of the UK wanted nothing to do with ID cards, too big brother... No you have Big Brother without the ID cards. Here, in Germany, you need an ID card (Personalausweis) or your passport + Anmeldeformular (the certificate you get when you register you place of residence with the local council). If you are trying to get work, you need both of those plus a Work Permit (Arbeitserlaubnis), if you come from outside the EU. Customs & Excise (Zoll) make regular checks of many types of business (restraunts, building sites, some shops, nursing homes etc.) to check all the employees are a) properly employed and not being paid cash-in-hand (Schwarzarbeit, black-work) and b) that they are either German/EU or have a valid work permit. If you don't have a work permit, you will be arrested and the employer will get a big fine. Refugees are assigned to camps here and they have an Aufenthaltserlaubnis (permission to stay), which they have to carry with them. They are allowed out of the camps, but they must stay within the area of the camp (E.g. if you are in a camp in Munich, you can't travel to visit friends in Hamburg), unless you get an extra travel permit, which has a time limit. As to the draconian use of secret lists, where does it end? Without oversight it can be extended to suit their needs - what next? Close the accounts of all smokers? Recind driving licenses for people who drive cars over 5 years old? |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:11 am ] | |||||||||
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HRA and EU charter of fundamental rights. both have only given villains a charter that they can hide behind and a get out of jail card free for the illegals. plus the added bonus of no EU court interfering with British law ... |
Author: | big_D [ Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:39 pm ] |
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If that were the case, other EU countries would also not be able.to do it. Lookingg at the UK from the outside, it is often the case, that the UK government won't do something or they won't let others do something, then blame it on the EU. For a long time, farmers were told that there were no subsidies or that they weren't entitles to them, then the government would moan about what a bad deal the EU was, whilst cashing a fat refund for unused subsidies, to offset central government debt. If other countries a have been using ID cards and special restrictions for immigrants, it can't be a problem with the EU. |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:26 pm ] |
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EU laws over rides British law, EU courts over ride British courts. not for much longer ... does any body require a source for that ? ... |
Author: | big_D [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:41 am ] |
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You argument doesn't make any sense. Other countries in the EU, following the same EU directives, can implement local laws that allow them to deal with problems like this sensibly, yet the UK says they can't deal with the problem, because the EU won't let them? Something doesn't add up there. That being the case, why hasn't the UK implemented similar laws to other EU countries? They also have to follow EU directives (not laws) in putting in place their own laws. And on occassion, they have rejected those directives as being unconstitutional and have taken them to the EU courts and won. On the other hand, where the UK Government has been overzealous (RIPA anyone?), the EU has taken them to court for abusing the rights of UK citizens and ignoring the EU Human Rights' Charter. You can't blame the UK's incompetence in implementing ways of dealing with illegals on the EU, when other EU countries can work effectively within the restrictions of the EU directives at combating the problem. |
Author: | saspro [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:15 am ] | |||||||||
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You're talking complete and utter bollocks. Don't need to cite a source for that, you're the source of all the cr@p you're making up |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:42 am ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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i must be hitting the mark. i may have to change my name to Mr Steven Nigel Farage Rogers ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_o ... _Union_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Justice and last but not least ...
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Author: | paulzolo [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:06 am ] | |||||||||
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There was the whole Phorm thing too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm#Eur ... over_Phorm If the EU had not stepped in to protect our privacy, this could have gone on to a full product. Our government was just not having anything to do with policing this on its own. The problem we have is that unchecked, this country seems quite happy to let governments and businesses (both local and from abroad) ride roughshod over us. We need something to balance and check such things, and the EU is pretty damn hot on this kind of thing, and is not afraid to intervene when it sees there is a problem. |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:09 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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that is not my statement. my statement was ...
the reply was ...
i therefore placed my case in my above post ... |
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