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| Author: | Spreadie [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:47 am ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Post subject: | The Calais Crisis | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Who exactly is calling for the army to be sent in? I mean, other than those rags, of course. |
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| Author: | saspro [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis |
What exactly are the army meant to do if they went there anyway? The French police have guns so weapons aren't exactly a deterrent. It's not like they can turn up and and open fire on anybody trying to get in to the station |
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| Author: | hifidelity2 [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:30 am ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | |||||||||
True but we haven't invaded France for quite a few years so its about time we did |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:37 am ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | |||||||||
Nigel Farage. We don't need to send in the army, we just need to get the French police to do their sodding job properly. |
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| Author: | big_D [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis |
How bad is the situation in the UK? I saw a conservative on TV when I was over at the weekend, saying that the rest of Europe should do their part. What more are we supposed to do? Here in Germany we can't keep up with building new camps to house them all. Munich alone has over 50,000 illegal immigrants. And in Germany as a whole around 10,000 a year are deported, after they have failed the asylum tests, a further 5,000 are turned back at the border. In total there are around a million illegals here. |
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| Author: | ProfessorF [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:01 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | |||||||||
Nobody really knows, is the short answer. Figures for immigration go between 417,000 and 863,000 (including children born to immigrants). We don't know who's illegal until they leave the country. If they're here illegally, then due to the nature of their access to the country, we won't have taken a note at the border. |
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| Author: | BigRedX [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis |
I am came through Calais last week and the immigrant camps along the road in are large and rather obvious. For a nation that had no problems blowing up protestors boats in other countries, the French seem to be rather passive regarding the whole situation. Perhaps they are hoping that the immigrants will all make it to the UK where they'll cease to be a French problem? |
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| Author: | jonlumb [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:47 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | |||||||||
No perhaps about it. |
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| Author: | davrosG5 [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:08 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | |||||||||
That seems to be the attitude in a lot of Europe if you believe the news reports. If the countries in which people initially arrived did what they were supposed to the would be registered there at which point it becomes that countries problem to process and deal with. Italy and Greece being some of the major recipients aren't too keen to do this because the rest of the EU has merrily shrugged its shoulders and refused to provide the rather large amount of financial support it would require for processing to be handled at point of landing. In response Italy and Greece turn a blind eye to the influx as for the most part the people don't want to be in Italy and Greece, they want to be in countries with low unemployment where they might be able to get a job so mainly northern EU countries. Resolution would required a highly organised and coordinated EU wide response and for every country to take their fair share - guess how well that went down. |
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| Author: | TheFrenchun [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis |
It's not a French problem as far as the government is concerned as they don't want to be in France. All the do is ensure safety of French people in the area Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:45 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | |||||||||
It's a very convenient piece of thinking but one that's quite short sighted, because it's very possible at some point the French will be on the other end of that particular stick. |
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| Author: | saspro [ Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:06 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | ||||||||||||||||||
In France the migrants get no free healthcare (as you need proof of insurance), no council housing, need ID for everything etc If they wanted to stay in France then they'd have found somewhere to stay already rather than heading to Calais to try to get to the UK |
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| Author: | paulzolo [ Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:10 am ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Thing is, they are not in the UK. They are in France. It’s very much a problem the French have to solve, regardless of the semantics of insurance/ID cards, etc.. The French clearly have a few options: 1 - Keep them where they are in a proper organised camp 2 - Deport them back to their country of origin, or a safe country in the region from which they came 3 - Load them on a train and ship them through the tunnel. That all said, the statistics on the news last night showed that Germany is receiving much more of an influx of migrants than are threatening to enter the UK via Calais. |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:21 am ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: The Calais Crisis | |||||||||
What they want is irrelevant in law. You have no right to expect anybody else to facilitate your desires. The facts are that these people are committing a crime on French soil simply by being there (assuming they're in France illegally, which I think is pretty much certain) and are committing further crimes such as property damage, trespass, threatening acts and in some cases actual violence against lorry drivers. The French police are required to enforce French law, not stand by in the hope that eventually the criminals go away. It's politically expedient to do what they are doing, undoubtedly. But if at some point in the future the French want the UK to enforce our laws on our soil over something that affects them and the UK police just kind of shrugged and said 'well, it's really your problem isn't it?', how are they going to be able to complain? Do I want these people living in shanty towns, begging for food and risking their lives simply to get to the UK? No, not at all. But the fact is they are doing this at least in part because the French authorities won't deal with them properly and isn't willing to treat them humanely. They should be given safe accommodation and processed by the accepted international immigration/asylum laws. IN FRANCE (or in fact in whichever EU country they arrive, although there's no need for them remain in that country after processing). But of course that costs money and effort the French government don't want to expend, so they turn a blind eye and hope they make it through to the UK thus to actually become somebody else's problem. And if in the meantime they spend their lives in squalor and may possibly end up crushed under the wheels of a lorry, well, so sad. The French government's actions are not just hypocritical and opportunist, they're inhumane. They are causing suffering and death, for political expediency. |
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| Author: | TheFrenchun [ Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The Calais Crisis |
There used to be a camp there, sangatte, where the UK processed asylum requests and had safe and clean facilities. It was closed by common agreement between UK and racist regime led by Sarkozy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2533415.stm "The UK government put pressure on the French to close Sangatte because it claimed it had become a springboard into Britain, and encouraged people-smuggling gangs." Since the UK cut down the funds to border police, and people are still flooding to northern France. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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