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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Academy sends home hundreds of pupils in uniform dispute
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-29911712

I can't help thinking a little less drudgery would do more good in schools.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:14 am ]
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schools have become little fiefdoms of dictatorship
education has become secondary

very happy my children have left school and are now working ...
Author:  ProfessorF [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:33 am ]
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The nation appears to be handing over parental duties to schools and teachers.
Author:  timark_uk [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:38 am ]
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The clue is in the name : uniform.
You can't have a non-uniform uniform, because then it's not a uniform.
If people find it so god damn difficult to dress as they should, well, screw them.

Mark
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:00 am ]
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i have worn a uniform of one kind or the other for most of my life
but these uniforms were issued to me and everyone else so the standard was set and uniform for everyone

when asking (demanding) every parent to supply a uniform, even within in a set code, this will be done to the available budget which will be different for each parent
if schools require a set standard of uniform code for each and every pupil then the schools must supply the uniform (at the schools cost and expense) and issue it to the pupils

so the high standards, that the schools require, can be maintained to their very own requirements ...
Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:25 am ]
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Uniforms are much cheaper than they used to be. Back in my day you couldn't get uniforms from Asda etc. The ties/jumpers etc had to come from a specialist shop. I was just grateful our school didn't have blazers.

Today they are as cheap as normal clothes. So there's no real extra cost over normal clothes* as kids have to wear something.
(* except for schools that do have blazers)
Author:  big_D [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:56 am ]
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At school we had fixed uniforms. The blazers, shirts, ties and trousers could be purchased at a local tailors. Black or brown leather shoes, no gym shoes (they weren't called trainers back then).

If you didn't buy from the tailor, you took your chances of being sent home.

Not sure why parents are so surprised. I guess discipline isn't what it used to be.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:15 am ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Uniforms are much cheaper than they used to be. Back in my day you couldn't get uniforms from Asda etc. The ties/jumpers etc had to come from a specialist shop. I was just grateful our school didn't have blazers.

Today they are as cheap as normal clothes. So there's no real extra cost over normal clothes* as kids have to wear something.
(* except for schools that do have blazers)


apparently this not the case
as described within the title
whatever is purchased (from Asda or any other store) does not meet the high requirements of this and other schools

if that being the case then let the schools provide the required standard of uniform at their cost and expense
so all pupils within that school meet these requirements there ending the problem of hundreds of pupils being sent home

the schools want these rules then the schools can pay for the requirement of these rules
(they can use the teachers pension fund to cover the cost of this so parents do not have too) ...
Author:  timark_uk [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:47 am ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
(they can use the teachers pension fund to cover the cost of this so parents do not have too) ...
Right, well, if that's the way you want it ... you don't have to send your kid to that school if you don't like the rules of it.

Mark
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:49 am ]
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Don't see why there should be any issue with this.

When I was at secondary school in the 90s, we had a set school uniform that could be purchased either through the school or at certain stores (eg Clive Marks). Blazers were standard shape and just varied in size. Badges and ties were purchased through the school. Trousers and shirts could be puchased anywhere but they had to be a certain colour (white, blue or grey IIRC). Jumpers had to be v-necked and of a certain colour (I think grey or navy blue). Shoes had to black, leather and laced. No velcro nonsense. There were restrictions on hair styles, piercings and other things. There was even a list of recommended stationery (eg 2x2HB pencils, 2x4HB pencils, wooden ruler etc). PE kits had to be purchased through the school.

This was all laid out in information given to kids before starting school - I think we had an induction day during the last week of the summer holidays. Nobody argued. Nobody turned up in the wrong clothes. Nobody ever got sent home unless they managed to dirty their clothes during play time. I saw nothing wrong with it back then and I see nothing wrong with it now. The clothes might have been costly but we came from a relatively low income family and priorities were made - school/education/food over games/TV/pocket money etc.
Author:  rustybucket [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:55 am ]
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Pffft! Nothing to see here. The parents were told of the uniform requirements in advance and were also told that any pupil not wearing the correct uniform would be sent home.

The parents didn't buy the correct uniform and the children were sent home.

Well done Hanson Academy.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:19 am ]
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Are the uniform requirements rules available to view anywhere public? I know there's been reported cases of schools tieing up deals such that uniforms have to be bought from a particular supplier which lead to price gouging. Could this actually be an organised protest?

As an aside, I think I know which side the BBC are actually on, given the image of the headmaster they chose to use :D.
Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:28 pm ]
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timark_uk wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
(they can use the teachers pension fund to cover the cost of this so parents do not have too) ...
Right, well, if that's the way you want it ... you don't have to send your kid to that school if you don't like the rules of it.

Mark


Uniform rules are made by the governors and, believe it or not, parent groups. They are not made by the teachers.

I have heard of incidents where if your clothes did not have a certain style of embroidery on it then it did not meet uniform requirements.

Found it: http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/1 ... iform_row/

Quote:
At the start of the new academic year, Bushey Meads School introduced new trousers and skirts for its students, which are embroidered with BMS just under the waistband.

Some parents are fighting the secondary school’s new uniform, complaining that the trousers cost £22.50, roughly double what they used to pay, with some claiming they do not fit their children at all.
[...]
"[Parent Claire Lish] went through the issues with Mr Douglas [head teacher of the school] and he refused to accept my solution to buy smart trousers elsewhere and have the school logo embroidered on it.

That’s when things start to go off the rails because there’s a clear commercial interest at work that trumps affordability. If a school mandates a certain style black trousers, it should not dictate where they come from. The embroidery could easily be supplied as a patch that can be sewn on.

I know of one primary school here where the parents are up in arms because the new uniform is not as posh as another school. The new uniform includes ties, shirts and blouses (instead of sweatshirts), but the parents also want hats and blazers. Hats and blazers would add significantly to the cost of a school uniform, and being a primary school will need to be changed every year as the kid grows up, or it gets damaged. Parents, eh? Maybe they should fund everyone’s uniform :lol: ;) .
Author:  hifidelity2 [ Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:41 pm ]
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From the BBC article

Quote:
Parent Diane Hickey's 13-year-old daughter was sent home on Tuesday and again on Wednesday because she was wearing black pumps.

"I'm not buying her a new pair of shoes. I'm a single parent. I can't afford a new pair of shoes," she said.

Miss Hickey said she was not prepared to change her daughter's footwear as she has been wearing the same shoes to school for the past two years.


so is she saying her daughter has not chnaged her foot size since she was 11?? Also they are really good shoes if they are lasting an 11-13 yr old 2 years and not wareing out
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