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Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Swine Flu Vaccines in October
Those at risk are first off the block.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8199629.stm

No doubt, there will be an extra ingredient in the jab which will make the populous more docile and open to suggestion. Fight it, citizen!
Author:  big_D [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:42 am ]
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It contains an adjuvant which, in other vaccines it has been included in, has shown up to 400% more side effects than similar vaccines without it; the side effects include breathing problems, circulation problems, heart problems and death... :?

Once it has been fully clinically tested, I might consider it.

Good that I don't live in the USA, there some States have changed to law to make vaccination compulsory and give local officials the right to break-and-enter and force local health workers to vaccinate people who refuse... :? Land of the Free? No any more!
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:41 am ]
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big_D wrote:
It contains an adjuvant which, in other vaccines it has been included in, has shown up to 400% more side effects than similar vaccines without it; the side effects include breathing problems, circulation problems, heart problems and death... :?


you have to be careful when using figures such as 400% more side affects. Simple maths can show you how horribly misleading those sorts of statement can be.
If a drug has a serious side affect rate of 1 in 100000 and then when combained with another it goes to 4 in 100000 (1 in 25000). Thats a 400% increase but is it an increase to actually worry about?
As for the noted side affects, every drug has to state its side affects. just look at ibruprofen.. one of its side affects is headaches :lol: and death :shock:
Author:  ProfessorF [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:02 am ]
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What a waste of time.
Author:  okenobi [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:29 am ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
big_D wrote:
It contains an adjuvant which, in other vaccines it has been included in, has shown up to 400% more side effects than similar vaccines without it; the side effects include breathing problems, circulation problems, heart problems and death... :?


you have to be careful when using figures such as 400% more side affects. Simple maths can show you how horribly misleading those sorts of statement can be.
If a drug has a serious side affect rate of 1 in 100000 and then when combained with another it goes to 4 in 100000 (1 in 25000). Thats a 400% increase but is it an increase to actually worry about?
As for the noted side affects, every drug has to state its side affects. just look at ibruprofen.. one of its side affects is headaches :lol: and death :shock:


I think you're missing the point. This vaccine is bad. End of. Dave is right, we're lucky not to live in the good ol' US of A. I thought it was interesting that the chief health officer is "taking advice" from the "JCVI". I looked them up and whilst they're supposed to be an independent body, their web presence is part of the Department of Health's site.

Keep that needle away from me and we won't have a problem.
Author:  EddArmitage [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:14 pm ]
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I fear it's an elaborate hoax. The govt. are sacrificing the weakest 10% first as part of a "gift" to the great swine. They shouldn't have made a much smaller donation 40 years ago...
Author:  okenobi [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:54 pm ]
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EddArmitage wrote:
I fear it's an elaborate hoax. The govt. are sacrificing the weakest 10% first as part of a "gift" to the great swine. They shouldn't have made a much smaller donation 40 years ago...


</Torchwood reference>

And it wasn't 40 years ago, it was 35ish and people still don't understand the scale of the situation.
Author:  EddArmitage [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:57 pm ]
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okenobi wrote:
EddArmitage wrote:
I fear it's an elaborate hoax. The govt. are sacrificing the weakest 10% first as part of a "gift" to the great swine. They shouldn't have made a much smaller donation 40 years ago...


</Torchwood reference>

And it wasn't 40 years ago, it was 35ish and people still don't understand the scale of the situation.

'64, n'est pas?
So 45 years? Or is my memory dripping out of my ear? Damn you, 456!
Author:  okenobi [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:26 pm ]
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Ah, but see I did this </Torchwood refence>

What I probably should of then done was this <Original US swine flu outbreak with sketchy vaccine reference> </reference>

I was referring to the real world for a brief moment ;)
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:12 pm ]
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Quote:
Swine Flu Vaccines in October


pigs will fly first before me and mine get it …
Author:  big_D [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:18 pm ]
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They will be announcing that they are rounding up middle management, hairdressers and telephone sanitisers (3rd class) for the B Arc... :lol:
Author:  jonlumb [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:21 pm ]
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And then the remaining people will be killed by an infection caught from a particularly dirty telephone. Or something like that ;)
Author:  paulzolo [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swine Flu Vaccines in October
bobbdobbs wrote:
big_D wrote:
It contains an adjuvant which, in other vaccines it has been included in, has shown up to 400% more side effects than similar vaccines without it; the side effects include breathing problems, circulation problems, heart problems and death... :?


you have to be careful when using figures such as 400% more side affects. Simple maths can show you how horribly misleading those sorts of statement can be.
If a drug has a serious side affect rate of 1 in 100000 and then when combained with another it goes to 4 in 100000 (1 in 25000). Thats a 400% increase but is it an increase to actually worry about?
As for the noted side affects, every drug has to state its side affects. just look at ibruprofen.. one of its side affects is headaches :lol: and death :shock:


I was started on an asthma drug whose side effects were (wait for it) asthma attacks and death. This lasted a few weeks as I started showing other side effects. Medication gets scary.
Author:  Coref [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Swine Flu Vaccines in October
big_D wrote:
It contains an adjuvant which, in other vaccines it has been included in, has shown up to 400% more side effects than similar vaccines without it; the side effects include breathing problems, circulation problems, heart problems and death... :?


Have you got a link for that? Do you know whose adjuvant it was?

Quote:
Once it has been fully clinically tested, I might consider it.


The problem with flu vaccines is that a new one is created every year based upon predictions about the flu strains most likely to be a problem. This means that clinical trials have to be short (ie weeks or months) compared to say cancer drugs which measure outcomes such as 5 year survival.

Quote:
Good that I don't live in the USA, there some States have changed to law to make vaccination compulsory and give local officials the right to break-and-enter and force local health workers to vaccinate people who refuse... :? Land of the Free? No any more!


Is that really true, it sounds rather extreme!
Author:  big_D [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Swine Flu Vaccines in October
Coref wrote:
big_D wrote:
It contains an adjuvant which, in other vaccines it has been included in, has shown up to 400% more side effects than similar vaccines without it; the side effects include breathing problems, circulation problems, heart problems and death... :?


Have you got a link for that? Do you know whose adjuvant it was?

Not sure who's adjuvant it was, I think one of the European manufacturers. You should be able to find the details over on No Agenda's web site

Coref wrote:
Quote:
Once it has been fully clinically tested, I might consider it.


The problem with flu vaccines is that a new one is created every year based upon predictions about the flu strains most likely to be a problem. This means that clinical trials have to be short (ie weeks or months) compared to say cancer drugs which measure outcomes such as 5 year survival.

And given that they are using additional chemicals which are know to have bad reactions, especially on people with asthma, lung or heart problems, it seems crazy that they will be among the first to be vaccinated, :?

Coref wrote:
Quote:
Good that I don't live in the USA, there some States have changed to law to make vaccination compulsory and give local officials the right to break-and-enter and force local health workers to vaccinate people who refuse... :? Land of the Free? No any more!


Is that really true, it sounds rather extreme!

It was pushed through at the end of June, beginning of July. Only in a couple of States so far. Again full details and links over at No Agenda.

http://noagenda.squarespace.com/
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