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Author:  james016 [ Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Has the UK betrayed another citizen?
It seems so

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... ts-us.html

A young man has been extradited under the European Arrest Warrant to Greece without any evidence being heard in a UK court. Even then the evidence is seriously dodgy.

Naturally parallels have been drawn with the Gary McKinnon case.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:46 am ]
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Welcome to the police state. All freedoms have been suspended. Any reaction to this that have not be vetted by an approved person will be deemed to be doublethink.
Thank you for your co-operation.
You are being watched!!
Be pure! Be vigilent! Behave!
Author:  okenobi [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:07 am ]
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That would be disgusting wherever it happened. That the big 3 want none of it is not a surprise. However, that the arguable country of origin of the western world when it comes to culture, democracy, philosophy and many other things would do this is thoroughly disappointing.
Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:13 am ]
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He's accused of a crime in Greece, should he not stand trial? After all it is for the Court to decide whether he is guilty or not, not the Police and certainly not the British public.

Clearly if he doesn't get a fair trial then the Foreign Office will be applying diplomatic pressure to Greece, and will probably enlist the help of other EU nations in doing so.

This won't be the first time that the Greeks have pissed off the British government. There was outrage back in 2001 over the 12 British plane spotters arrested and convicted in Greece for "espionage".
Author:  big_D [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:18 am ]
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I sort of agree. The article makes it sound like he is being railroaded...

On the other hand, if you were beaten up and the suspected culprit scarped off to another country, wouldn't you want him to come back and face trial for what he did to you? :?
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:47 am ]
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big_D wrote:
I sort of agree. The article makes it sound like he is being railroaded...

On the other hand, if you were beaten up and the suspected culprit scarped off to another country, wouldn't you want him to come back and face trial for what he did to you? :?


True but I would want the right suspected culprit and one that isnt suspected on the basis of extracted conressions.
Author:  okenobi [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:36 pm ]
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I just think this is a PR nightmare for Greece. If it was Albania or a former eastern block place, it wouldn't be any more right, but it would make sense.

That country is a major tourist destination for his age group and for a whole heap of other Brits. The least they could do is be nice about it.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:16 pm ]
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This is totally different to the hacker being sent to the USA.
In this case there is no evidence at all that would stand up in a UK court.
Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:15 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
This is totally different to the hacker being sent to the USA.
In this case there is no evidence at all that would stand up in a UK court.


You don't need to present evidence with the European Arrest Warrant. If the evidence against him is so [LIFTED] then he will be cleared. If HMG believe a miscarriage of justice has occurred then no doubt the FCO will be making strong representations to the Greek government.
Author:  snowyweston [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:16 pm ]
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Two English gentleman in a bar brawl in Greece!? :shock: How could it ever be true! :?
Those stupid folk in Brussels and corrupt Greek police officials obviously have no idea what is going on. :roll:

Or perhaps not?

Personally I'd be willing to wager he did it, skipped on home but got busted. Justice. End of.
Author:  ShockWaffle [ Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:33 pm ]
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The story has been covered in depth in Private Eye over the last few months. He didn't do it.
Author:  okenobi [ Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:01 am ]
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snowyweston wrote:
Two English gentleman in a bar brawl in Greece!? :shock: How could it ever be true! :?
Those stupid folk in Brussels and corrupt Greek police officials obviously have no idea what is going on. :roll:

Or perhaps not?

Personally I'd be willing to wager he did it, skipped on home but got busted. Justice. End of.


Didn't there ought to be some kind of investigation though? I mean, you're quite possibly right, but there's no need to be so mob-handed about it.

Difficult one I suppose, as we're our own worse ambassadors to the rest of the world when we're having a drink on holiday. I'm embarrassed by some of the antics I've seen.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:50 am ]
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Quote:
Another young Englishman had allegedly been punched off the stage, sustaining serious head injuries from which he died in hospital. The police had, for some reason never quite clear, decided to fix their suspicions on Mr Symeou. His friends, by their own account, were beaten and threatened by the police until they signed statements implicating Mr Symeou. As soon as they were released, they protested about their treatment to the British consul, wholly retracting the statements which they claimed to have signed under duress.

The only other evidence against Mr Symeou was an eye-witness description of the assailant, as tall and blond, whereas Mr Symeou is short and dark and was, at that time, bearded.


seems to be clear cut case there then. :roll:
Dodgy confession extracted under duress with an eywitness identification that is so hopelessly different from the "suspect" that it makes a mockery of anything related to the concept of a due process.
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