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Author:  pcernie [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Bookmaker robber dies
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21208674

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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bookmaker robber dies
I wonder if those who held him down will be charged with manslaughter?
Author:  pcernie [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bookmaker robber dies
Amnesia10 wrote:
I wonder if those who held him down will be charged with manslaughter?


Even with CCTV the appeals would be hanging out of it. If I was a judge I'd excuse myself :)
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bookmaker robber dies
The only question is was reasonable force applied? It appears not. There might be mitigating circumstances considering the age of the robber, and possible ill-health.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bookmaker robber dies
IMO, the probability is much more than him wearing a gas mask was the major cause of his demise. I suspect that still having it on (there's no mention of it being removed in the reports I saw) while he was being restrained could have led to oxygen deprivation and therefore maybe cardiac arrest or simple suffocation.

Armed robbery is a serious offence but it shouldn't be a capital offense. However if I was the CPS I'd be loath to prosecute any of the punters involved. It would be quite hard to prove from the reports I read that any one person's actions specifically lead to his death.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Re: Bookmaker robber dies
Amnesia10 wrote:
I wonder if those who held him down will be charged with manslaughter?

Doubt it. A heart attack can happen for any reason, the stress of robbing somewhere for example.

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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bookmaker robber dies
jonbwfc wrote:
IMO, the probability is much more than him wearing a gas mask was the major cause of his demise. I suspect that still having it on (there's no mention of it being removed in the reports I saw) while he was being restrained could have led to oxygen deprivation and therefore maybe cardiac arrest or simple suffocation.

Armed robbery is a serious offence but it shouldn't be a capital offense. However if I was the CPS I'd be loath to prosecute any of the punters involved. It would be quite hard to prove from the reports I read that any one person's actions specifically lead to his death.

I am sure that the CPS will be investigating it but it could be months before they are free of prosecution.
Author:  pcernie [ Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bookmaker robber dies
Amnesia10 wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
IMO, the probability is much more than him wearing a gas mask was the major cause of his demise. I suspect that still having it on (there's no mention of it being removed in the reports I saw) while he was being restrained could have led to oxygen deprivation and therefore maybe cardiac arrest or simple suffocation.

Armed robbery is a serious offence but it shouldn't be a capital offense. However if I was the CPS I'd be loath to prosecute any of the punters involved. It would be quite hard to prove from the reports I read that any one person's actions specifically lead to his death.

I am sure that the CPS will be investigating it but it could be months before they are free of prosecution.


Being free of prosecutions is the CPS dream alright :lol:
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