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Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:21 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Private-public NHS partnership failures | |||||||||
Sorry, couldn't think of a snazzy headline. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... NTCMP=SRCH
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Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Private-public NHS partnership failures |
Summary: - private company takes over hospital pathology lab service - multiple clinical incidents rise in the first year of the takeover - private company losing money so NHS hospital has to pay - experienced staff not being replaced; demoralisation of NHS staff - "deficiency" in competence levels of some staff Essentially, private company wants to make money but the staff want to provide a good service. So rather than employ more staff and train them properly, the private company would rather make a profit and sacrifice standards, staff and morale. Remember, this is the same company that tried to provide an out-of-hours service and is now under investigation. IMO, this is why private companies should have no business within the NHS. |
Author: | Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Private-public NHS partnership failures |
I agree. The problem is that the NHS is currently over administered, though I blame Maggie and John Major for that. Labour did little to remedy the situation. They were run by the same free market ideologues. The Tories wanted to have business management techniques brought in to make it more like any other service company. So that hospitals could price how much a hip replacement operation and so bid for business from all over the country. Except general health is not like any other sector. Too many unknown variables to start with. A road accident could be minimal with just a few scratches, it could be major like mine with a 8 eight hour surgery overnight or even worse with multiple surgical teams required, and many months of rehabilitation. Then if you allow private operators to cherry pick the easy straight forward surgical work they leave the NHS with all the complex high cost loss making business the will inevitably cause the NHS bill to rise. Scams like PFI enabled hospitals to replace old and decrepit wings or hospitals and the cost was spread over a 40 year contract that was very one sided. This government are probably trying to run the NHS into the ground so that it can be privatised bit by bit for US hospital operators. What is really needed is efficiency savings and that does not even need privatisation in any way. You could simply contract a team to find savings that do not harm outcomes. Departmental budgets need to be changed from a use it or lose it nature to one that enables departments that save money to roll it over into a capital budget if necessary. Pay the team from the savings. So no savings no pay. If a contractor fails it should be allowed to collapse not get bailouts from hospitals. Look at the companies dealing with the London Underground maintenance. they had similar problems, borrowing money from LU, before going bust. |
Author: | Linux_User [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:28 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Private-public NHS partnership failures | ||||||||||||||||||
This isn't the only [LIFTED] up of Serco's recently:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... e-hours-gp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... e-data-gps |
Author: | l3v1ck [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Private-public NHS partnership failures |
I'm no leftwingist, but the NHS has been [LIFTED] up by all this private involvment recently. Cameron is just mental and Blair, well that was he thinking of with his private funding arrangements? Anyone could have told you that would turn into a massive money black hole. |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Private-public NHS partnership failures |
It was and remains the worst sort of short termist political thinking. Blair & Co didn't give a stuff about the long term consequences. They couldn't afford to build hospitals, schools etc so they arranged a scheme where someone else would have to pay later but they still got the nice photo opportunity opening a nice shiny new building and in the short term some people (the dim ones, basically) thought they had been given a good deal and voted for them. It's exactly the same psychology as a woman buying an expensive dress on a credit card she can't afford to pay off because wearing it makes her look nicer and feel happier (I appreciate that's slightly sexist but I couldn't think of a good gender-neutral analogy - although men have their feel good toys too). They maxed out the credit card and now we've all got to pay the bill for them. |
Author: | hifidelity2 [ Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:08 am ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Private-public NHS partnership failures | |||||||||
But I would like to know how often the pathology lab got it wrong when it was just NHS - I don't believe that they never got it wrong |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Private-public NHS partnership failures |
I agree that it would be better to have figures but labs tend not to publish them externally. IIRC there's an acceptable error rate (think thousands of blood tests being performed each day). There has been a rise since SERCO took over - what we need is the past error rate figures so we can see if there's a genuine jump or just an annual rise. |
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