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Author:  ProfessorF [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:42 pm ]
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Iran could launch pre-emptive Israel strike-commander

DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran could launch a pre-emptive strike on Israel if it was sure the Jewish state was preparing to attack it, a senior commander of its elite Revolutionary Guards was quoted as saying on Sunday.
Amir Ali Hajizadeh, a brigadier general in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, made the comments to Iran's state-run Arabic language Al-Alam television.
"Iran will not start any war but it could launch a pre-emptive attack if it was sure that the enemies are putting the final touches to attack it," Al-Alam said, paraphrasing the military commander.
Hajizadeh said any attack on Iranian soil could trigger "World War Three".
"We can not imagine the Zionist regime starting a war without America's support. Therefore, in case of a war, we will get into a war with both of them and we will certainly get into a conflict with American bases," he said.
"In that case, unpredictable and unmanageable things would happen and it could turn into a World War Three."
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made increasing hints that Israel could strike Iran's nuclear sites and has criticized U.S. President Barack Obama's position that sanctions and diplomacy should be given more time to stop Iran getting the atomic bomb.
Tehran denied it is seeking weapons capability and says its atomic work is peaceful, aimed at generating electricity.
"The Zionist entity is militarily incapable of confronting Iran ... the circumstances of the region do not enable it to wage war tomorrow or even in the near future," Hajizadeh said.
"Our response will exceed their expectations," he said. "Their assessment of our missile capabilities is wrong. Our response will not only be missiles."
(Reporting by Zahra Hosseinian and Rania El Gamal; Editing by Sophie Hares)


http://news.yahoo.com/iran-commander-says-could-launch-pre-emptive-strike-150452450.html
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:53 pm ]
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nuke 'em ... end of transmission ...
Author:  pcernie [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:01 pm ]
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I read the thread title as, 'We'll launch your strike-commander, we mean it!' :oops:
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:37 pm ]
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MrStevenRogers wrote:
nuke 'em ... end of transmission ...

You do not even need to so that. Iran is crumbling from within. It has a very young demographic who are angry at all the religious restrictions on life such as haircuts and clothing. They resent the imposition of Arabic names on Pashtun families. So while the nuclear problem is causing problems for the West right now the people are turning against the regime at all levels.
Author:  Spreadie [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:10 am ]
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Iran could launch pre-emptive Israel strike-commander


All your base are belong to us?
Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:28 am ]
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Given that Iran has old Soviet tech and Israel has high end US tech, I'd expect them to easily repel an Iranian attack.
Author:  HeatherKay [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:09 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
So while the nuclear problem is causing problems for the West right now


There is no nuclear problem for the West. Well, only the one the West is making up to justify attacking Iran in the end.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:24 am ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Given that Iran has old Soviet tech and Israel has high end US tech, I'd expect them to easily repel an Iranian attack.

On the ground, the Israelis have better tech but are massively outnumbered. Like 10-1. In the air it's not quite so clear. The Israelis don't actually have cutting edge US tech, they have 30 year old US tech (the F16 and the F15), not the F22 or the stealth kit. The Iranians have Mig-28s and Su-30's which are roughly 'of the same era' and, some believe, are actually superior. But Israelis have more jets overall and their pilots are really good..

It's not cut and dried. if the Israelis could establish air superiority they have the strike aircraft to act as a force multiplier to their ground forces and they'd stand a decent chance. If it came down to a straight fight on the ground, the Iranians would win simply on attrition. Course, the thing everyone is worried about is everyone knows it wouldn't get that far....


Spreadie wrote:
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Iran could launch pre-emptive Israel strike-commander

All your base are belong to us?

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Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:34 am ]
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They might be comparable to F16's, but F15's are still top dog outside the US air force.
Plus there's the issue of maintenance and pilot training. Years of sanctions must have had some effect.
Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:37 pm ]
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I would imagine that Jordan (the country, not the big-titted model), Saudi Arabia, Syria and Iraq will be watching this with keen interest as they will be the battleground. It’s not as if the two bickering states are direct neighbours where. Other countries will be where the land wars are fought, and where the inevitable poorly aimed warheads will land.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:02 pm ]
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HeatherKay wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
So while the nuclear problem is causing problems for the West right now


There is no nuclear problem for the West. Well, only the one the West is making up to justify attacking Iran in the end.

Agreed, but if it is power generation why shouldn't any nation be entitled to it?
Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:34 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
if it is power generation why shouldn't any nation be entitled to it?

Because us civilised Europeans and Asians are just better than those untrustworthy dirty Arab types, obviously.

</satirical observation on double standards>
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:49 pm ]
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JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
if it is power generation why shouldn't any nation be entitled to it?

Because us civilised Europeans and Asians are just better than those untrustworthy dirty Arab types, obviously.

</satirical observation on double standards>

Which only gives an even greater reason to encourage research into the use of Thorium reactors. Which are supposedly incapable of producing weapons grade material.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:36 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
They might be comparable to F16's, but F15's are still top dog outside the US air force.

That's not been true for a while, which is why most of them have been converted to F-15E Strike Eagles (which is what the Israelis have). The F-15 is a very fine design. But it's a very fine design that went into service in 1974. It was once the best fighter in the air, nowadays it's a great strike/CAS aircraft that stands a fighting chance if it gets ambushed. They're as good as anything the Iranians have, but there are several planes in the air now that are significantly better than the F-15.

l3v1ck wrote:
Plus there's the issue of maintenance and pilot training. Years of sanctions must have had some effect.

Absolutely and as I said the Israeli pilots are generally very good. I honestly don't know what state the Iranian air force is actually in.

This is all pretty hypothetical though; the bare fact is if Iran invaded Israel (or vice versa for that matter), there wouldn't be time for a protracted conventional war. Either the superpowers would pretty quickly step in and stop the children squabbling, or it would escalate beyond the point where who 'won' was very important anyway before long.
Author:  ShockWaffle [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:28 am ]
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You guys are nuts. Neither of those countries has any chance of battling the other on the ground or let alone trying to maintain air superiority over the other's territory. They have nothing approaching the resources required because both are equipped for very local wars with their neighbours. And as has been noted, they are not neighbours.

One side could lob a few missiles at the other which would miss and could not possibly deliver WMDs anyway; or supply local proxy militias with small arms and low quality ranged munitions, which is what they already do.

The other can in reality do little more. With drop tanks and air to air refueling they can annoy Iran with very small bombs that aren't in any way sufficient to meaningfully disrupt any nuclear operations buried deep under mountains, which is where the good [LIFTED] is.

Both sides are all mouth and no trouser and taking either at their word is naive. They might as well arrange a knife fight in a pub carpark.
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