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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:19 pm ] | |||||||||
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| Author: | bobbdobbs [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:06 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: Peer denies 'selective amnesia' over expenses advice | ||||||||||||||||||
your secret life as a Tory peer exposed then amnesia10? |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Peer denies 'selective amnesia' over expenses advice |
Far from it. I have been accused of selective amnesia. Though even after the years since I lost my memory I still have not worked out what I can remember. Though the more bizarre it is the easier it is to remember. I posted this because I doubt that he really has forgotten what he has done. It is more a matter of not incriminating himself. |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:46 pm ] | |||||||||
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Its' the Donald Rumsfeld thing isn't it? There are things you know you know and things you know you don't know. But there are also things you don't know you don't know. Equally, there are things you remember, things you remember you've forgotten and things you've forgotten you've forgotten. Jon |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:55 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Yes to all of that. It is strange I know the pubs of brighton from decades ago. So if they change name I still only remember the old name. Even if the pub has been demolished. |
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| Author: | JJW009 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:30 am ] | |||||||||
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That's very common with a lot of elderly folks I know, because the old memories are physically fossilised into your brain. New memories are very much more transient. I do find it interesting what we all remember or forget. Everyone has selective memory, because more than 99% of what you experience simply isn't worth the brain space. Everyone is more likely to remember those things that intrigue them, or frighten them. The more powerful the emotion, the more fixed in your mind the event becomes. It also helps if the event is linked to multiple memories which give it context and indexing links. Boring meaningless sh!t is impossible to remember, which is why exams in dull subjects do everyone's head in. Of course, my idea of a "dull subject" isn't the same as next persons... I really love pie. I can remember the best and worst pies I've eaten since I was about 6 years old, up to the ones I made last week. I could probably write an entire shelf full of books about what I've eaten, and if you printed my blog I probably already have
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| Author: | rustybucket [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:49 am ] | |||||||||
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My memory problem is subtly different from yours. I can remember references and pages in books that I haven't read for 20 years yet I can also forget my own name and date of birth. |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Peer denies 'selective amnesia' over expenses advice |
Normally 90% of everything that happened to you the previous month will not be stored in long term memory. It simply is not worth recording. Like what did you have for breakfast? I change it every day depending on mood, but do not need to know what I ate last month on a specific day. As an amnesiac that 90% can be applied to the previous day let alone last month. I have no idea what I had for breakfast unless I can see the plate or still taste it in my mouth. For most norms (what I call people with memory) their brains automatically eliminate what is not necessary. Though with a peer engaging in a criminal act I would imagine that they do know exactly what they have done incase they need to ensure that they have an alibi, or so that they can get away with it. So in which case selective amnesia is more a case of not incriminating themselves. |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:04 am ] | |||||||||
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I can remember book details from years ago but when really stressed i have a fugue and forget who I am as well. Then I am usually found by the police some where and then taken to a hospital or police interview room until they find out who I am. Some times it takes a day or so. Hence I now have a large entry in the Police database but no criminal record. 
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| Author: | jonlumb [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:08 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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This may seem like an odd question, but when you have these moment do you remember that you suffer from amnesia, or do you simply 'not know things'. Apologies for the crap phrasing, it's not a condition I know much about. |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:32 am ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I don't remember who I am or where I live. I do not get more stressed because of it. It has happened so many times that I know that I will be returned eventually. So I do not get anxious unlike newbies. It is just a matter of time. I cannot remember what comes back in what order and how. |
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| Author: | rustybucket [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:33 am ] | |||||||||
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I can't speak for Amnesia obviously. However, in my case, it depends on what is being recalled. With something like my name, I know that the information is "in there somewhere" but I can't seem to find it. With other things it can be very difficult to know whether I've forgotten the info or whether I never knew it. I can end up in a kind of mental limbo where, whilst in the middle of a problem or thought process, I'll sit and go into idle where my brain really isn't doing anything. This state can last for up to 4 hours. |
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| Author: | rustybucket [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:35 am ] | |||||||||
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Not to sound flippant but have you thought of getting a tattoo? |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:40 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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What if I move? No I hate the idea of a tattoo. It has been suggested that I attach the details to a key ring, but if I lose them then any potential finder could empty my home of valuables before I knew where I lived. If I am calm I can cope. |
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| Author: | rustybucket [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:45 am ] | |||||||||
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That's what I suspected. I'm exactly the same. Just pass me some biscuits, sit me in a corner with a cup of tea and I'll get back to you. |
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