The UK holds immigrants who are deemed to be illegal in detention centres. This system appears to be some kind of limbo where we dump people - whole families included - while we work out how to deport them or process them again for asylum.

There was a rash of stories about physical and sexual abuse by staff at such centres.

Bring in the mighty asteroid, I say. I think the whole Homo sapiens project has failed and it's time for the planet to reset and try the evolution thing again.

your killing me. i haven’t laughed so much in years. thank you and well done. please keep up the good work ...

they are still coming so it would seem we are not being harsh enough. i think that will change in the very near future ...

The trouble with that line of thinking is that, in order to stop them coming, we would have to make their treatment in this country worse than where they left.

Unfortunately, for a lot of them, the place they left was so apocalyptically bad that almost nothing we could conjure up could persuade them to stay away.

+1.

I've been tracking the news (and this thread). The problem is the conditions are worse in their country of origin. Some settle elsewhere and some choose to head to the UK. Remember that everyone in the UK is an immigrant or descendant of an immigrant so you can't be too harsh. At the same time, there's only so much immigration a country can take. Making the situation worse here wouldn't just make it worse for the immigrants. You'd have to make it worse for the native population too. The people who can afford to emigrate are probably the ones you want to keep (affluent, pay lots in taxes).

Maybe if their own homes were better, they wouldn't need to come looking for better pastures but we're a long way from utopia.


Disagree - who's to say this isn't part of the evolutionary process? Human population reaches a critical level and we all kill each other or eat each other because there's not enough food/shelter/resources to survive.

we will have to make it so unattractive up to and including shooting them an option. just like duck hunting on the NES ...

the conditions in their own country are going to get worse if they keep leaving and not stopped, if necessary, by force ...
because they are not willing to improve their own environment what chance of them improving the environment that they illegal move too ...

Does that include going back to a country where all your menfolk are rounded up and pressed into military slavery, without pay, with no idea when it will end?

I think we need a clue about what sort of conditions some of these poor people are running from. Is it their fault they were born into a land that wasn't safe, secure and wealthy?

The idea keeping people who are fleeing for their lives in their native country will somehow improve the state of that country is.. bonkers. The people who are fleeing aren't the people with the power, money and guns who can change things, they're the people those people want dead, the ones who DON'T have power, money or guns. If someone has the capacity to change things where they are to make things better for themselves, why the hell would they run away from that by undertaking a dangerous, arduous journey to end up living in a shanty town?

You're conflating fleeing as a refugee with being part of a 'brain drain' - for example how we recruit nurses from the commonwealth to the detriment of local health services in their native countries. The two are utterly unrelated. That's one of the more borderline crazy ideas I've heard in a while.

How are immigration camps any different to the detention centres in the UK?

I think being pressganged into the army is probably one of the lesser problems they have in their homelands.

Just reading the local paper here in Baden Würtemburg. In July they had a record number of asylum seekers for the month. Just the one state had over 7000 new asylum seekers.

David Cameron used ‘swarm’ instead of ‘plague’ in case it implied that God had sent the migrants | Frankie Boyle | UK news | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/comm ... nts-calais

'Marauding' migrants threaten our standard of living, says Philip Hammond | UK news | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... ip-hammond

No, that would be your own party, you nasty git.

SPD Leader Sigmar Gabriel attacked the EU, because it can't deal reasonably with asylum seekers. He said that they are poorly distributed, with Germany, Sweden and Austria taking on the majority of incoming refugees and other countries are trying to do as much as possible to push the refugees away.

The following are quotes from the FAZ article, I have put English translations below the quotes. There is a HuffPo article at the end, which is written by Sigmar Gabriel and has been translated into English.


It is "a disgrace for Europe, that we are not in a position be able to find a better way to distribute refugees," he said.

Germany, Sweden and Austria take on the majority of refugees.


On the other hand, there are countries that offer no or very few refugees protection. "We need a fairer balance," the State Economic Minister told the "Bild" newspaper.


Eurpe is running the risk of losing its humanity,. "A number of EU countries seem to see Europe as a sort of profit centre, where they only take part if they can make money. And where they can step-back, when it comes to responsibility. Those who do that will destroy Europe," said Gabriel.


At the same time, Gabriel warned that the principal of freedom and generosits in Europe is endangered by the unfair distribution of refugees. "The relinquishment of border controls between most EU states is good for citizens and also good for the German economy and jobs, because much time and money is saved," he said. "But this large achievement will be put in the crosshairs, when all refugees are settled in just a few lands." Then many will want, "to raise their old borders." "We really need to stop this from happening," he said.

Full story here, in German: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inla ... 42495.html

A view of the Huffington Post, "written" by Sigmar Gabriel: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sigmar-ga ... 51694.html