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PaulKey
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:18 am Posts: 385
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Pfffft....... isotope ratios in metal determinations in complex organic matrices. All well and good but can you run with a ball, trip yourself over at a waft of air 6 inches from your heel, roll through 360 degrees, several times, and then scream and grimace for 3 minutes while you get your breath back.... sorry, while the agony decays and the opposing player is sent off ????? 
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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Not since some 20 stone fat git jumped off a stage and landed on me..just me!!!!  Totally wrecking my right knee but giving me the ability to detect bad weather. 
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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In your face, Spider-man! 
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Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:28 pm |
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eddie543
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:53 pm Posts: 447 Location: Manchester
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People can be trained and educated into your feild and most others and there are more people who can do your job in this country than can play to premier league standards. Furthermore scientific industries have limited money spread across alot of research feilds. High Football wages is because of scarce skill, high investment and high competition to hold or increase position in the league and competitions. I can't understand why people complain about those high wages. Over half of it goes to taxes. The free market has spoken, there's no good reason for stopping them getting sums of money that are vast when the market is obviously at an equillibrium point and is running efficiently, with high demand pull inflation. Of course this free market capitalism is the worst system except all those others that have failed.
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:05 pm |
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jonlumb
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:44 pm Posts: 4141 Location: Exeter
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Because of course they didn't say similar things about the banking system at all, no siree.
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:17 pm |
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eddie543
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:53 pm Posts: 447 Location: Manchester
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Yes they did, What about the suffering people went through under a communist command control economic system that had the slow economic growth and decreasing living standards bet they said god damn capitalism in poverty on the other side of berlin. In the last 17 years have living standards decreased by majority? no. Plus when do recessions start from premier league football. Any system that does not relate to people basic needs and a countries economic safety should be left to self regulation as it is not harming anything. People with football wages are trying to fix a system that isn't broken and There's not one alternative wage system which will keep the english premier league competitive enough to be world class and worthwhile.
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:32 pm |
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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Doing that sort of job requires something more than just training and education, theres a small thing called understanding. You can have the best education in the world with the best training in the world but you can still end up a useless waste of space.. just ask any media studies or politics student I can train most people to do the analysis but the end product of that analysis and what it means, that is just a litle bit harder. £3 billion of public money will be placed by the 7 research councils for "science" stuff. In 2008 the 850 top-spending UK firms spent £21.6 billion on R&D. The perils of relegation and what they can do to a club (Leeds, Southampton etc) is what owners/chairmen/managers are terrified of have helped to drive wages even further up. Who is going to go to a team that is threatened to be relegated/not in europa/champions league unless the wages are over the natural level for that player. Not if they have a decent accountant and agent to set the contract up properly in the first place.  In this case the free market is an ass. Its not at an equilibrium. The pendulum is firmly on the player side, otherwise when one of these overpaid numpties had a squinny, they would be told to lump it and not "ooh here have another 10k+ a week".
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:41 pm |
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eddie543
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:53 pm Posts: 447 Location: Manchester
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Glad I'm not doing media or 2nd year politics a level How it can not be at an equilibrium is beyond me highly competitive leagues makes good sport and the free market always goes to the equilibrium as harsh or a stupid as it is. Hows it unnatural when there is limited supply and increasing demand what do you expect, it's called demand pull inflation and price will go up aslong as there is competition and that is sport. The footballing is an arms race. Whats the point, the current system of league football has mad the EPL the best league in the world. What can you do about high wages.
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Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:07 pm |
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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Dont get me started on sodding equilibriums The free market never goes to an equilibrium or steady state. It fluctuates between two opposing ends of the spectrum. One is always dominant over the other. Currently the power is in the hands of the players and their agents. They can and do demand higher and higher wages (and I cant blame them for that) from the owners that either have far too much money or are so scared of failure and its cost. Just think what would happen to Man U if they failed to get into the champions league!!!! yes it is an arms race but the only outcome is mutually assured destruction. Once a few bigger (eg premiership) clubs start going under then that will be a wonder to behold. Just how can real madrid afford to spend the obscene amount in the middle of the biggest world credit crunch. Is it sustainable.. not in the long term. I personally cant do much apart from reduce the amount of matches I go to because of the cost and until the house of cards the football world is based upon comes falling down.
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eddie543
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:53 pm Posts: 447 Location: Manchester
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Don't do that annoying rhetorical technique of taking things out of context, given the power to change the system what would you do and if you know of nothing that can be done then the current system is fine. It's getting pointless people complaining about every sodding inequality and problem when there is nothing that can be done and only stands in the way of progress. The market is at an equilibrium because in a free market the supply quantity level meets the demand price level. The reason for expanding wages is every club is trying to hold thier current position not players demanding it. club A will offer X for a player, club B offers 2X for a player, club A offers 3X and then they get the player. Its been this way since money came into football and it will continue. Sustainable possibly no and that could result in market failure. Looking at it as a whole money is coming into football nowadays from russian oligarchs, arab consortiums and americans. United will eventually drop out of the top four after fergie leaves and the glazers try to sell a declining and debt ridden club. Liverpool are stuggling as to whether owners can afford the club. Chelsea have the money to hold and grow if the managment is stable. Arsenal the same but may lack funds. Everton and villa may be greater threats this season to any of the top four.
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Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:47 pm |
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veato
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:17 am Posts: 5550 Location: Nottingham
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Mark Hughes has been quoted saying if John Terryn comes to Man City (for £300k a week) it will be for the challenge not the money.
Yeah right.
Just like Tevez left one of the most successful football clubs in the world to go to a team not even playing in Europe to 'win things.'
You know if it was me and someone offered to double my salary I'd probably jump at the chance. But at least I'd be honest enough to admit its for the piles of cash.
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