Okay, okay. Here's the break down for you...

In Islam you DONT HAVE to wear hajib, it's totally up to the woman. If the want to or if they don't.

So British police women gettign scarves is stupid, it obviously goes to show that they show no interest for these people.

When a Muslim woman wears a scarf it's usually because they've made an oath to Allah that they would do it. Not for anyone, not for themselves, but for Allah.
Take nuns in Christianity and Catholicism for instance, they wear those head scarves, because they are not allowed to show any hair on their body. Which is why they wear the long drapey dresses like they do. People need to grow up.

So are all scarves banned? Hajib, Burkha and the rest?

This means it's not okay for an old lady in the street, with curlers in her hair to wear a scarf over her head?

Rules for one are fules for all right?

I heard on the breakfast news a few weeks back a lady that was speaking about how it was "her right" to be able to see someones hair.

Hold on a minute.... It's also the right of the lady she's talking about to wear whatever she wants to.

Some people these days seriously. I swear to God, people need to realise that people are going to be diffrent than them, pretty son we're going to be having a Skynet issue pretty soon if this keeps happening.

But they are not converts are they!

Are you an ostritch? You'd have to have your head seriously buried in the sand if you think that the majority of Islamic women get much of a choice over anything in their lives. It's better over here than in somewhere like Saudi I will grant you, but don't for a minute kid yourself that they get to make that choice themselves.



Can you explain what you mean by 'Skynet issues' here? Makes no sense to me...

Converts are just the same as the ones raised from birth. In fact probably better, because they've learnt through their "mistakes" or found themselves. Why are so many people so bloody against everyone.

What your saying is, if someone was born and raised in England, then moved to France. But only spoke English. Then learnt French to survive in France, and actualy enjoyed it more than being English, is that they converted. And finding what they liked better is wrong and should stick to what they have.

Or somone who goes through school, finished at 16, gets a job, and does exams in work to better themselves. Converting. Is it wron in these situations?

You're actually saying this right?
No I'm not an Ostrich, but what I am, is engaged to a Muslim guy. You have SUCH a wrong idea about Islam it's actually scary.
In an Islamic household, woman is boss. What she says goes. No matter how much you think the men beat their wives, and don't feed them, and rape them if they say no to sex. Because thats what alot of people think, and it's completely wrong. Belive me.

A muslim lady DOES get to choose. She does not HAVE to wear it, and are never FORCED into wearing it either. They make a choice, to go to Mecca and come back Haji, when they are Haji, they WANT to wear it, to SHOW they have been to Mecca they have proven their devotion. All your showing now is your ignorance.


Skynet, robots, Terminator. Everybody being the same, no feelings, no emotions, nothing to keep them linked to humanity. Everything is changed and structured by one thing, in our case the Government.

It's the 1984 issue, but for a different generation I assume!?

Of course the Skynet issue is all about handing over our munitions to a self aware computer program that infects the internet and turns all machines against mankind. - oh and a range of MOD communication satellites.

The real issue here is sleepwalking into a world in which we have no say in how we live our lives, a la George Orwell's 1984, which seems to have been adopted as a methodology for modern governments, not just our own.

Bish, my issue with converts is how they always seem to be far less tolerant of other people who don't share the same views compared to someone who was born into something - ex-omnivores being the prime irritation - They gave up meat and they're sure as hell going to tell you aaaaall about it....at length....until you want to slap them.

No, I'm simply relating a) first hand knowledge from a friend who has spent a number of years working in Saudi and b) the periodic news reports from similar countries where, for example, women get lashed for being the victim of rape:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 106881.stm

Still you seem to have missed the point of the article.

The article is not about banning people from wearing scarves or whatever. The article is about the people looking after the swimming pool telling someone to remove a scarf that is loosely fitted around her head and acts as a possible danger when swimming.

The only reason religion was brought into the story is because the silly woman thought she'd get a better reaction out of it that way. (Point proven).

If I went into a swimming pool with a carrier bag over my head I'm sure I'd be asked to remove it also.

lol I know what you mean.

I'm a vegetarian, and so are all my family. I quite often hear 'converts' going on about it, as if it's something special. A lot of them also get really really over fussy. Stuff like insisting vegetarian food is cooked before meat at a BBQ and things.

For me though, I often find that meat eaters are more keen to talk to me about vegetarianism than I am to talk to them about it. If someone offers me some meat, for example I'll just say no thanks the first time. If they offer me lots of different stuff then I'll say no thanks, I'm a vegetarian so they know I'm not being rude.

Quite often they then want to have a big old conversation about it, when for me it's nothing to really talk about. I've pretty much got a little script prepared in my head these days for when people ask me about my vegetarianism!!

Wow, faith-based misunderstanding amongst the ex-Dennis crowd. Who would have thought?

Oli's right, this is a storm in a teacup made into a big deal because somebody said "religion". The woman's an idiot. End of.

Bish, I hate to get involved, but according to wiki - "Women who complete the Hajj are referred to as Hajja." So your rant at Jon could be perceived as showing your ignorance.

The issue her is not one of religion, but one of safety. There's no need to get all crazy about it.

Can you even speak Arabic? When you speak about a woman who's completed Hajj they're 'refered' to as Haji.

So, next time. With your trusted Wiki, you know, that site where you can edit any article, ask them what "owned" means.

Same here but if you are cheeky you are more likely to get a slap ,and if you complain they bring you home and your folks give you another for lack of respect. hmmm I remember that somewhere in a galaxy a long time away on another Island .

It was a light-hearted comment in defence of a guy who's done nothing to deserve an ear bashing from you. I understand that you're going through stuff, but there's really no need to go so mental about a news story that in no way relates to your blokes beliefs or yours. Besides, I said "could be perceived". You don't "own" me and you couldn't possibly. So don't think that because you're angry, upset or hurt, that you can behave like a child and it will go unchallenged. There's just no need. I'm genuinely sorry that your pissed off, but if you don't want fuel poured on your fire, you've come to the wrong place. In here, heated debates rage all the time, but as you were relatively new to the old place, maybe you didn't know that....

I just wrote a big long post and it's all disappeared (symbolic of my week really)

Upshot is:

They were right to stop that woman swimming in loose fitting clothing and scarf. If you insist on being completely covered when you swim then buy a full-body swimsuit and hood!! If she'd got something caught in a vent and drowned can you imagine the hue and cry?!?

At risk of being called "closed minded" I don't believe all women wear the Hajib/Burkha/Whatever because they want to, some do, but I've heard women complaining about being forced to wear it by their father/husband. Equally I don't believe all Muslim women are the head of their households, I expect some are, but I expect some are treated badly while others just peacefully co-exist in an equal relationship.

We're all just people.

I don't agree with people living in this country who aren't prepared to live by it's rules. Regardless of who your particular "imaginary friend" is, this is a Christian Country of rules, holidays and celebrations. I'm not a Christina and I don't love the fact that I can't get a Sabbat off work without using my annual leave, but I know the rules and live by them. If you can't, then leave.

No one has the "right" to anything based on race or religion, we're an equal society so everyone gets the same, right? Wrong, as with everything else, the people who shout loudest and make the most fuss get concessions, it's sickening, and it's even more sickening when they use religion or sexual preference to get it.

Extremists of any kind make me nervous, they make me wonder what they are hiding behind the veneer of extremism. Religious extremists worry me even more.

^ i was, and now my poor tummy cant handle it