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Full-frame mirrorless cameras, at seemingly considerably cheaper prices than other, equivalent specified DSLR cameras.
Is this the beginning of the end for DSLR cameras?

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It's a good question. The mirrorless systems are maturing nicely, and with full frame becoming a reality it's looking very interesting indeed.

As someone with money invested in the SLR format, and not looking to replace anything any time soon, I'm watching the rise of mirrorless cameras with some interest. Personally, I like the weight and feel of a decent camera body. It strikes me a micro-four-thirds or mirrorless full frame body gets pretty close to SLR size once you've factored in viewfinders and lenses, and I worry about grip. I like something I can hold firmly, and I like the optical through-the-lens system despite wearing glasses that get in the way.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both, and the distinction of interchangeable lenses is now irrelevant. When the time comes to consider replacing my EOS 7D, I may well consider trading in for a switch to a different format. I know one well-established professional who has already made that decision (though, to be fair, he's retiring from professional work and wanted a system he could still carry without needing trollies and assistants!). Whether mirrorless will eventually supplant DSLR I can't say. Only time will tell, I suppose.

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I still prefer an OVF to an EVF though. A friend has a well specced Sony SLT and whilst the EVF is a good one I wouldn't choose it over an OVF.

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The only unknown factor for these, as far as I'm concerned, is the electronic viewfinder.
I've only ever used one before, and I absolutely hated it.
It might have been a really cheap and nasty one, I don't even remember on what make/model of camera it was, but I would have to really have a good test of a good example of an EVF before I spend a considerable amount of money on a camera body that has one.

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The BJP has a few more details about these cameras, along with prices …
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The A7 has a retail price of £1300, while the A7R will come with a £1600 price tag. Both models will be released in late November.
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It's a good question. The mirrorless systems are maturing nicely, and with full frame becoming a reality it's looking very interesting indeed.

As someone with money invested in the SLR format, and not looking to replace anything any time soon, I'm watching the rise of mirrorless cameras with some interest. Personally, I like the weight and feel of a decent camera body. It strikes me a micro-four-thirds or mirrorless full frame body gets pretty close to SLR size once you've factored in viewfinders and lenses, and I worry about grip. I like something I can hold firmly, and I like the optical through-the-lens system despite wearing glasses that get in the way.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both, and the distinction of interchangeable lenses is now irrelevant. When the time comes to consider replacing my EOS 7D, I may well consider trading in for a switch to a different format. I know one well-established professional who has already made that decision (though, to be fair, he's retiring from professional work and wanted a system he could still carry without needing trollies and assistants!). Whether mirrorless will eventually supplant DSLR I can't say. Only time will tell, I suppose.


I have been using my NEX5 quite a lot this year. It’s been lugged around for my street sign photos, as well as taken other places. I do like the screen on the camera - it’s pretty good for focussing, and I can only assume that this will get better as time goes on. Glasses are almost a permanent fixture now, and focussing through an SLR view finder is awkward. I have trained myself to use my left eye for using SLRs - which I can use without the need for glasses.

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If you ever get the chance, have a look through a Hasselblad 500cm.
The compare an EVF.
I doubt there's an EVF that'll be built that can come close to the 'blad. Nothing I've looked through since has felt the same. Beautiful optics.

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